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EVE is the best!

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Eddard Licinius
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-06-13 01:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eddard Licinius
I'd have to say the best thing about the game is that it willingly accepts players' personalities. If you're a ruthless person in real life, there's a real and perpetual existence for you within the game. If you're like my friend and just sit on the market looking for good deals to flip for a profit, you'll do well. If you're a hypocritically, nonsensically justice-driven, irrationally zealous individual, there's surely a place for you as well. Doing what? Not sure. Maybe be fodder for those ruthless people haha

But, most MMOs I've played, and I've mostly played MMOs of the post-SWG/WoW landscape, do not react to your personality. They prefer to craft a refined existence for their players to swim about and blandly enjoy. And yes, while WoW is refined and whatnot, and SWG was innovative (originally), EVE was that game that silently and deftly disregarded everything either of those tried to make mainstream. And while I didn't really find out about EVE until well after its lifespan was underway, I appreciate that small foray I had in the game in 2009/2010. There had been some big changes recently back then, and while something happened in the game that I got very angry about, I still maintained that the game was fresh, unique, and interesting.

If you're wondering what happened, I'll just semi-summarize that it was right after I bought a Retriever, freshly fitted, right off the assembly line. I had trained for it for days, and I was going to be the mining king of the world! Then I stepped into 0.4 sec and got blown up by some douche. I ragequitted. I wasn't very mature then, and was merely taking a break from warcraft, which is rarely, if ever, a game where you encounter anything like that. Frustration happens in every game, but usually it's expected. I didn't expect to get blown up.

Well anyways, having a game be open-ended and reactive to your personality is a wondrous thing.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-13 06:45:56 UTC
Eddard Licinius wrote:
I played EVE like four years ago and it didn't really jive with me, but this time around I'm really digging its vibe. I've been mining, making millions, doing security missions, and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships.

I see plenty of complaining about the game being unforgiving or certain players being relentless, but I haven't really seen any of that yet. Even skimming around in lowsec with my Venture, I've managed to keep out of trouble. It seems some people take the game very seriously, and like to impose that hardcore mentality onto others, but I don't really have a problem with any of that. I think MMOs are all about being immersed and trying to share that with others.

Even though I'm a loner and probably won't join a corp until I want to do some nullsec mining ops, there's plenty in the game for a person like me. I can play the market, mine endlessly, do all the pve missions, and team up with another friend for bigger challenges. Most MMOs have a ton of downtime. Waiting for raids, dungeons, pvp, opportunities. But in EVE, your time and efficiency ratio are entirely up to you. If you want to menu-hop for hours and not leave the station, that's up to you! And you can still make money doing that. I, however, like to aim for no wasted movements. No wasted trips. Always doing something.

This post doesn't have a point, but I suppose is an appropriate vehicle for me to introduce my apt presence to the forums, and to greet those of you who have enjoyed and mastered the game over the years.

Hello, and good day to you all.


Eddard Licinius for CSM !

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Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#23 - 2014-06-13 06:52:10 UTC
Don Purple approves.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.

Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-06-13 08:04:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Eddard Licinius wrote:
Games can't thrive if everyone is as lazy and friendless as I am. It needs people who are motivated and cunning to push forward and bring about changes in the political landscape that people like me deign to accept willingly.


You get a special Ramona Award for this

Im pretty lazy, and people who become my friends wither, accidently die or stop being my friends in short order

But I like this sentiment

+1


Awww, I'll be with you ' till the servers go dark!...

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#25 - 2014-06-13 08:09:04 UTC
Iv known a few people who gave it a small go, could not get the real hang of it then left, came back a few years later and it gelled! I am not sure what it is, maybe the brain just needs longer to digest the information on the best way in the game!

Iv been here for 11 years now, so i guess I can't disagree with your opening statement!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2014-06-13 13:08:29 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:


Awww, I'll be with you ' till the servers go dark!...


Thanks hun

But bear in mind

I cannot accept responsibility when the witch finders come after you for bearing my Mark

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-06-13 13:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Eddard Licinius wrote:
I played EVE like four years ago and it didn't really jive with me, but this time around I'm really digging its vibe. I've been mining, making millions, doing security missions, and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships.

I see plenty of complaining about the game being unforgiving or certain players being relentless, but I haven't really seen any of that yet. Even skimming around in lowsec with my Venture, I've managed to keep out of trouble. It seems some people take the game very seriously, and like to impose that hardcore mentality onto others, but I don't really have a problem with any of that. I think MMOs are all about being immersed and trying to share that with others.

Even though I'm a loner and probably won't join a corp until I want to do some nullsec mining ops, there's plenty in the game for a person like me. I can play the market, mine endlessly, do all the pve missions, and team up with another friend for bigger challenges. Most MMOs have a ton of downtime. Waiting for raids, dungeons, pvp, opportunities. But in EVE, your time and efficiency ratio are entirely up to you. If you want to menu-hop for hours and not leave the station, that's up to you! And you can still make money doing that. I, however, like to aim for no wasted movements. No wasted trips. Always doing something.

This post doesn't have a point, but I suppose is an appropriate vehicle for me to introduce my apt presence to the forums, and to greet those of you who have enjoyed and mastered the game over the years.

Hello, and good day to you all.


That;s a good attiude and displays something that many don't have: an understanding of the game you are playing.

Side note, you probably meant to say JIBE.

This is Jive
and so is this (my late uncle used to actually talk like this, hell he used it like a 'talk around' language the same was Spanish speakers do in my part of the world when they want to talk about you in your presence lol.)
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-06-13 13:22:42 UTC
Great posts OP you've pretty much said everything I like about EvE, there's a place in EvE for everyone if they're willing.

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2014-06-13 13:26:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Side note, you probably meant to say JIBE.


Yeah, irregardless of meaning, it really gets my feckles up when people make a whole nother mistake all of the sudden.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-06-13 13:38:41 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:


Awww, I'll be with you ' till the servers go dark!...


Thanks hun

But bear in mind

I cannot accept responsibility when the witch finders come after you for bearing my Mark


I'll wear it like a badge of honor!

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Reiisha
#31 - 2014-06-13 13:48:37 UTC
Eddard Licinius wrote:
and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships.


Don't move too far too soon.

Make sure you got your support skills up and fly frigates and cruisers untill then... They're more effective than larger ships at the things you want to do (or can do) untill you have your support skills at a decent level.

Just saying :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Solecist Project
#32 - 2014-06-13 14:09:49 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Eddard Licinius wrote:
and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships.


Don't move too far too soon.

Make sure you got your support skills up and fly frigates and cruisers untill then... They're more effective than larger ships at the things you want to do (or can do) untill you have your support skills at a decent level.

Just saying :)

Quoting for truth.

Don't let griefers tell you to skill to bigger ships fast,
they just want to ruin your game.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Chuk Ormand
Alternative Solutions Corporation
#33 - 2014-06-13 14:16:02 UTC
Welcome back to EVE!! A positive attitude is always a plus. I'm a 2 year player and still love EVE. I pretty much play as a loner and belong to a small corp. Most of the members are independent but we occasionally mine together. Some pve/pvp together but i usually solo manufacture, research and trade. My corp's standings allow me my own pos with 3 research labs. I have 2 main characters with 4 alts. All are trained at lvl5 manufacturing skills. The alts are in their own corp. I have had 50+ manufacturing slots running at once with them all.

I have gotten better at studying and knowing the markets. Most everything i manufacture gets minimum 20% profit. Many items get much much more! I made a fortune last year making and selling containers. Simple tech 1 stuff but i sold billions worth of enormous containers everywhere. At that time i was making 300% profit on them and i sold thousands. Now they aren't very profitable at all. I have seen things cycle from good to bad..........you have to learn when to ride the wave. I have made billions manufacturing and selling tech 1 stuff. You just have to study before you build.

I have had my share of losses. It sucks when you lose a hauler full of your goods. Sometimes it was me being careless. Sometimes it was a random ganker. I seldom use my Obelisk with a full cargo anymore. I try to haul everything in high sec with itty 5's. They are disposable and cheap and you can only lose 38k cargo!!! I consider myself self-insured since i never let my 2 mains wallets fall below 5 billion isk.

I wouldn't mind chatting with other solo indy's. I can't reveal all my secrets but probably have some experience to share. I think there are a lot of independents in EVE. Such a vast pool of knowledge that should be utilized. Best wishes. -chuk
Eddard Licinius
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-06-13 14:33:55 UTC
Chuk Ormand wrote:
Welcome back to EVE!! A positive attitude is always a plus. I'm a 2 year player and still love EVE. I pretty much play as a loner and belong to a small corp. Most of the members are independent but we occasionally mine together. Some pve/pvp together but i usually solo manufacture, research and trade. My corp's standings allow me my own pos with 3 research labs. I have 2 main characters with 4 alts. All are trained at lvl5 manufacturing skills. The alts are in their own corp. I have had 50+ manufacturing slots running at once with them all.

I have gotten better at studying and knowing the markets. Most everything i manufacture gets minimum 20% profit. Many items get much much more! I made a fortune last year making and selling containers. Simple tech 1 stuff but i sold billions worth of enormous containers everywhere. At that time i was making 300% profit on them and i sold thousands. Now they aren't very profitable at all. I have seen things cycle from good to bad..........you have to learn when to ride the wave. I have made billions manufacturing and selling tech 1 stuff. You just have to study before you build.

I have had my share of losses. It sucks when you lose a hauler full of your goods. Sometimes it was me being careless. Sometimes it was a random ganker. I seldom use my Obelisk with a full cargo anymore. I try to haul everything in high sec with itty 5's. They are disposable and cheap and you can only lose 38k cargo!!! I consider myself self-insured since i never let my 2 mains wallets fall below 5 billion isk.

I wouldn't mind chatting with other solo indy's. I can't reveal all my secrets but probably have some experience to share. I think there are a lot of independents in EVE. Such a vast pool of knowledge that should be utilized. Best wishes. -chuk



Sounds like you have it all figured out! Eventually I want to get into manufacturing and turn a profit. Having billions of isk is great. While I only have fifty million, I know that if I learn from my betters and pay attention when certains items are trending, I can win.

But also, it seems EVE is about the journey. End game is what you make it. It could be mining, hauling, pvp, or exploring null sec wormholes. Most games seem to revolve around the instant gratification "you'll be happy when you get to this level" mentality. Eve says "you'll be happy if you wish to be" and that is a pretty good replica of how real life works. We all struggle with different dilemmas, but we can choose to be happy regardless. I'm a regular philosopher guys. :D
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#35 - 2014-06-13 14:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Eddard Licinius wrote:


And I've noticed that whilst humming around in my Venture, people generally ignore me. As I'm sure most would-be pirates have the freight sensors to check my freight, so they realize I don't have much of anything of worth.


Depends on the pirates. Generally speaking though, Ventures are a pain to tackle due to their built-in warp stabilizers and usually don't have much value in them. Make no mistake though, if you made it easier for them to point you down, they'd pop you without a thought. Pirate

Eddard Licinius wrote:
And I'm sure there are people who are permanently against AFK mining, but I don't really see why they should care. It isn't hurting anything or anyone as far as I can tell.


EVE is a game based entirely around player interactions. The devs don't develop content for us, they just give us the tools to make our own. You have to go out there and find content, be it locking down a market or pew pewing or what have you.

As such, people who provide minimal content are not well-regarded in the game. An afk hisec miner is providing virtually no meaningful interaction for anyone. He's just shooting rocks, out of the way in a belt, not talking to anyone. Then eventually he dumps his load in station and goes out for more. The entirely of his interactions comes in the form of driving down low-end ore prices for people who ARE actually at the keyboard actively playing the game. That's why an entire movement has formed around the concept of getting some content out of hisec miners, and why it's been wildly successful.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2014-06-13 15:03:51 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:


EVE is a game based entirely around player interactions. The devs don't develop content for us, you have to go out there and find it, be it locking down a market or pew pewing or what have you.

As such, people who provide minimal content are not well-regarded in the game. An afk hisec miner is providing virtually no meaningful interaction for anyone. He's just shooting rocks, out of the way in a belt, not talking to anyone. Then eventually he dumps his load in station and goes out for more. The entirely of his interactions comes in the form of driving down low-end ore prices for people who ARE actually at the keyboard actively playing the game. That's why an entire movement has formed around the concept of getting some content out of hisec miners, and why it's been wildly successful.


That's the best explanation I think I've heard of it (especially the part about driving down prices for people who are actually playing). I don't gank or bump or whatever but I'm totally in favor of it and happy the game allows that kind of unwanted interaction.

The idea that the 'afk miner' isn't hurting anyone ignores the fact that eve in totally interconnected and everything you do affects someone else down the road. If EVE had 'private servers' where you could be separate from everyone else and the isk and items you made on that server could not be transferred out into the wider game, I'd be fine with a no ganking game mechanic (though why you'd have to worry about it on a private server I dunno, maybe choose your friends better lol), your server, your rules (like those sucky 'no heat' servers in the old mechwarrior game i used to play. Not for me but if you like it have at it.

The principle here I think is "if you stand to gain, you should also stand to lose", but the afk miners who get ganked then beg ccp for more protection so they can afk mine want to violate that principle.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2014-06-13 15:07:31 UTC
AFK miners encourage others to follow their example, which is a perfect way to get ganked and make your corp look like crap

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Eddard Licinius
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-06-13 16:16:51 UTC
Those are some interesting viewpoints about AFK mining. It's amazing to me that a game can be this interconnected. I encourage more people to share their viewpoints on that topic (or any really). The more viewpoints I aggregate on any given subject, the better Ican understand the implications of my actions.
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