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On isk doublers

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#61 - 2014-06-13 11:48:32 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
You won't stop the scamming - Being a backhanded jerk is a choice you're allowed to make in EVE.

I would like to see CCP being a bit more proactive about warning people that this is actually allowed and going on before they start playing. New players will always come into contact with the game before they find the community, so a community solution isn't really effective.


Scamming is 100% legit. it's the spamming of Local chats that kills it.
Vandra Madeveda
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-06-13 12:02:37 UTC
Soraya Nol wrote:


Players have no game mechanic at their disposal to stomp this behavior out , so it's up to CCP.



Please make sure you have all your facts before posting, as you do have a mechanic to stop this behavior.

I can even show you how:

In the chat window, right click the spammer's name/image, either in the channel population list or the offending text itself. From there, you go down and select "block" and BAM, no more spam.
Elusive Panda
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-06-13 12:22:38 UTC
The real problem is the lack of creativity with the scammers. Back when I joined, it was fun seeing all these little loophole people were using to convince you to send them money whenever I was in a trade hub.

Now it's all the same thing all over. Isk doubler, mystery prize box, triple contracts and the "hilarious buy order mistake".

PLEASE, more diversity, you're all boring.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#64 - 2014-06-13 12:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
How not to be a "victim" in an easy to read format

ISK doublers

  • Block ISK doublers using the right click menu ingame (there's your mechanic right there)
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass.

Dodgy contracts

  • Read the contract carefully, double check it and then triple check it
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass

Margin trading scams

  • Check the market history and the estimated value
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass


Notice the common themes in all three instances

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#65 - 2014-06-13 13:03:37 UTC
OP reported for obvious trolling

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#66 - 2014-06-13 13:08:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How not to be a "victim" in an easy to read format

ISK doublers

  • Block ISK doublers using the right click menu ingame (there's your mechanic right there)
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass.

Dodgy contracts

  • Read the contract carefully, double check it and then triple check it
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass

Margin trading scams

  • Check the market history and the estimated value
  • Decide whether or not the deal looks too good to be true
  • Don't be a greedy dumbass


Notice the common themes in all three instances


The above is what you wrote. Below is what most 'victims' see:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How not to be a "victim" in an easy to read format

ISK doublers

    Effort

Dodgy contracts

    effort

Margin trading scams

    effort


Notice the common themes in all three instances is effort
Solecist Project
#67 - 2014-06-13 13:13:31 UTC
How not to be a victim.

.) Use your brain.
.) Stop whining about things that happen to you.
.) Accept your defeat.
.) Shoot first.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-06-13 13:18:27 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

.) Shoot first.



*Assumes the carebear posture*

Shooting first is for the meanie psychopaths. Besides, what do I do if they shoot back?

/end sarcasm

Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#69 - 2014-06-13 13:19:33 UTC
Oh and...

.) Don't hide just because you think you can't win.
.) Don't run your mouth when you hide in station.
.) Don't hide in station just because you're outlaw.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#70 - 2014-06-13 13:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

.) Shoot first.



*Assumes the carebear posture*

Shooting first is for the meanie psychopaths. Besides, what do I do if they shoot back?

/end sarcasm

Blink

You warp in your disco fleet and vaporize atomize him from space.


I need a better way to express this.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Marsha Mallow
#71 - 2014-06-13 13:26:56 UTC
ISK doubling is just the most blatant form of extortion. You should reserve real outrage for people like me who come into your systems and relist everything on alts, or across a region. I'd mess about at the hub level but it's hard work beating the traders who are already doing it. Still setting Blueprint contracts with 1000% markup and dictating market prices is easy enough, and only one person ever contacted me to call me names (he still bought the prints lol). So much fun being a legitimate scrooge.

I've always wondered if it's possible to 1v1 an ISK doubler though, and win decisively. They look too close to RPers to me though, wouldn't touch.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#72 - 2014-06-13 13:32:57 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
ISK doubling is just the most blatant form of extortion.


Sorry to disagree hun, but its not extortion.

Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion...... (and) involves the verbal or written instillation of fear that something will happen to the victim if they do not comply with the extortionist's will.

Nothing will happen if you don't give them your isk in the first place

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#73 - 2014-06-13 13:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
Elusive Panda wrote:
The real problem is the lack of creativity with the scammers. Back when I joined, it was fun seeing all these little loophole people were using to convince you to send them money whenever I was in a trade hub.

Now it's all the same thing all over. Isk doubler, mystery prize box, triple contracts and the "hilarious buy order mistake".

PLEASE, more diversity, you're all boring.


The scams in Jita have been the same for the past 5 years at least. Please show me those great creative scams that were pulled back in the ancient times.

At least 100 people say the same thing as you in Jita, every day. Now that's what I call boring, especially since you can't come up with anything better yourself (it isn't your fault, there's only so much that you can do with contracts - mainly waiting for some poor rich dude who can't or doesn't want to read.)

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#74 - 2014-06-13 13:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Send me your thread and I double it! Oh wait...

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