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ishtar fit ded combat sites in gurista null space
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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#1 - 2014-06-09 16:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Hello looking for help for an Ishtar fit , for combat sites in null sec npc space guristas.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#2 - 2014-06-09 17:08:46 UTC
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#3 - 2014-06-09 17:14:57 UTC
thankyou Maeltstome.

Did little googling for afk ishtar for anomalies came across that blog by jester trek. Thanks for linking it.

Made one of those ishtars for anomalies, and made a naga also for anomalies. After exploration ded complex combat ishtar. then ill get blackfrog to jump my stuff out. Can the AFKtar also do them ?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#4 - 2014-06-09 17:33:13 UTC
They are all the same basically. I've fully regen tanked an Ishtar in the past, but Speed tanking works just as well. I also prefer Sentry drones: The sig bloom on heavies makes them get targeted on respawns too often, makes things less AFK friendly.

Sentries don't MWD, so no bloom to make them a fat target.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#5 - 2014-06-09 17:51:09 UTC
thanks maeltstome.

i got an idea ill make something and just give it try. something like that ishtar ship fit posted in the other thread.

thanks for your help .
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-09 23:57:00 UTC
What about aggro? Wasnt the jester fit posted around the time of the aggro changes?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#7 - 2014-06-10 00:46:25 UTC
You really shouldn't use heavy drones for PvE, the dps loss from drone travel time is massive. I'd use a similar fit to the one in the Jester Trek post but changing both the drone navigation computers to more tank and using sentries instead, I'd also go for a 10MN afterburner so that you can orbit your sentries to mitigate some damage without slingshotting out too far.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#8 - 2014-06-10 11:13:53 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
You really shouldn't use heavy drones for PvE, the dps loss from drone travel time is massive. I'd use a similar fit to the one in the Jester Trek post but changing both the drone navigation computers to more tank and using sentries instead, I'd also go for a 10MN afterburner so that you can orbit your sentries to mitigate some damage without slingshotting out too far.


You've entirely missied the point. Sentries can't speed tank BS damage. The idea is to orbit an object at 20km with the 100mn AB on permanently. You speed tank all damage, and your heavy drones are moving too fast and too close to be killed.

It's an AFK build.
Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#9 - 2014-06-10 11:17:33 UTC
Couldn't you remove a remote repper and fit a small turret to draw the aggro?

My dominix has 4x 350mm rails and my sentries don't get hit unless there's a spawn of rats not targeting me.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#10 - 2014-06-10 11:36:43 UTC
Exploration null sec combat sites Ishtar fit.

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Core probe laucnher ii
prototype cloaking device i
small 'arup' remote armor repair
small 'arup' remote armor repair

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5

stats
EHP 33,919
resists thermic 84.3 , kinetic 94.1
defence 157 hp/s
firepower 621 dps garde ii

What do people think to this fit ? Took maeltstome fit from the other thread changed the highs. Need cloak for safety , probe launcher for probing down sites. remote reps to repair drone damage. Defence looks a bit thin to me.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#11 - 2014-06-10 12:04:16 UTC
You can still use the 100MN Afterbuner with that build, It's really down to preference. Remember to change the 'Damage profile' on your fitting tool, it will be set to 25/25/25/25 damage types when really its more like 0/20/80/0 (therm/Kin).

Talia Valta wrote:
Couldn't you remove a remote repper and fit a small turret to draw the aggro?

My dominix has 4x 350mm rails and my sentries don't get hit unless there's a spawn of rats not targeting me.



That's a less AFK fit - the use of sentries is more isk efficient for manual farming. If you want to unleash drones and Go AFK though, Heavyies are fairly mandatory.

I'd also like to point out that berserkers move around 4k/s with the ishtars bonuses. That's significant.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#12 - 2014-06-10 12:34:27 UTC
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You can still use the 100MN Afterbuner with that build, It's really down to preference. Remember to change the 'Damage profile' on your fitting tool, it will be set to 25/25/25/25 damage types when really its more like 0/20/80/0 (therm/Kin).


Thankyou again maeltstome. Set up guristas damage profile like you suggested, that makes big difference.

EHP 124,809
sustained defence 761 hp/s

thankyou for all your help Maeltsome.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-10 19:05:33 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
If you want to unleash drones and Go AFK though, Heavyies are fairly mandatory.


But how do you keep rats from killing heavies? I mean i had hammers die in 3/10 with 2x nav comp.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#14 - 2014-06-10 19:25:00 UTC
Not tried it yet myself. But the idea i think is to get aggro on yourself. release your drones orbit the beacon at 20 to 50km. nav computers give bonus to drone micro warp drive. My understanding is the drones dont get targeted , but if on the off chance they do, it dosent take long for them to blap through rats kill them. With the bonus to micro nav computers and dmg bonus from the ishtar
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#15 - 2014-06-11 01:31:21 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
You really shouldn't use heavy drones for PvE, the dps loss from drone travel time is massive. I'd use a similar fit to the one in the Jester Trek post but changing both the drone navigation computers to more tank and using sentries instead, I'd also go for a 10MN afterburner so that you can orbit your sentries to mitigate some damage without slingshotting out too far.


You've entirely missied the point. Sentries can't speed tank BS damage. The idea is to orbit an object at 20km with the 100mn AB on permanently. You speed tank all damage, and your heavy drones are moving too fast and too close to be killed.

It's an AFK build.


I understand what an AFK build is, however if you're willing to actually manage your ship, sentries are vastly superior in terms of how fast you can complete a site. Obviously if you want an AFK build you'd go with the jestertrek fit, but I would personally roll with sentries and just do the sites faster.
Narla Asketa
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-06-13 11:41:22 UTC
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I understand what an AFK build is, however if you're willing to actually manage your ship, sentries are vastly superior in terms of how fast you can complete a site. Obviously if you want an AFK build you'd go with the jestertrek fit, but I would personally roll with sentries and just do the sites faster.


If you´re going for anomalies, the heavy drone AFKtar is actually faster/has higher ticks then a sentry version.