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DrSmegma
Smegma United
#41 - 2014-06-13 09:00:43 UTC
Right-click > block..

Do this about 5 times and you got your silence. It takes less effort than posting this thread. Roll

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-06-13 09:23:55 UTC
I'm fully against this too - not because of what it is but because it does not tie in at all with the whole core point of EVE: more risk = more isk. These pilots just stay docked up bot spamming a macro and make iskies from the chumps who fall from it. At no point on that character do they undock so you can't blap them, and unlike market trading, they won't loose out on isk if they make a poor decision when the market fluctuates. I'd like to see this practice banned so they will have to take riskier approaches to make isk which may create pvp situations.
Adunh Slavy
#43 - 2014-06-13 09:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Soraya Nol wrote:
an ultra capitalistic no-rules playground.



There are rules, the rules of capitalisim are (and reality for that matter): you don't get something for nothing.

A rule those who dislike capitalisim promise they can break, yet never deliver.

Want some health care, a pension, low interest rate loan? Just make sure to vote for your favororite freebie promising politician, they'll double your happiness, guaranteed.

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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-06-13 09:35:51 UTC
Dealth Striker wrote:
Just wait for the next release.
With moons in the system Jita is going to be one locked down system.
The scammers vying for the system count with those looking to take or secure POS locations at the moons.
Look for crashes and many complaints about not getting into to the system from traders, scammers, and POS defenders and attackers.
It is going to awesome.


Somebody can't read dev blogs. POSes will continue to be banned in Jita even after Crius.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#45 - 2014-06-13 10:03:57 UTC
DrSmegma wrote:
Right-click > block..

Do this about 5 times and you got your silence. It takes less effort than posting this thread. Roll

This. I can even read Jita local.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2014-06-13 10:14:18 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
DrSmegma wrote:
Right-click > block..

Do this about 5 times and you got your silence. It takes less effort than posting this thread. Roll

This. I can even read Jita local.

Those. Also, don't most ISK doublers make use of ambiguous and confusing language and/or tricksy maths to make their ISK rather than anything that has to do with the UI? It sounds a lot like the OP has ISK doublers and station-trade/contract scammers confused.

In fact, since it requires so little in terms of in-game mechanics and relies entirely on the mark's inattentiveness, I'd venture to guess that everyone would be doing it if they could. It's probably just a matter of eco-system (with a bit of help from inertia) that keeps some scammers attached to the more cumbersome trade-based scams. After all, if everyone spams about their ISK doubling, the chances of someone picking yours over someone else's drastically drops, compared to if the scammers diversify and go after different people using different means.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#47 - 2014-06-13 10:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
Minty Aroma wrote:
I'm fully against this too - not because of what it is but because it does not tie in at all with the whole core point of EVE: more risk = more isk. These pilots just stay docked up bot spamming a macro and make iskies from the chumps who fall from it. At no point on that character do they undock so you can't blap them, and unlike market trading, they won't loose out on isk if they make a poor decision when the market fluctuates. I'd like to see this practice banned so they will have to take riskier approaches to make isk which may create pvp situations.

...I wish I could down-thumb you. Nobody cares what your "core point of EVE" is and your comparison between traders and spammers is bad because you obviously don't have a clue about trading. There's not necessarily a risk in it at all. What are you, a mission runner?

ISK doublers have a purpose - they take the money from rich PLEX buyers who'd otherwise annoy everyone with their faction-fitted golems. At least this way, they quit after their first day in Jita.

Then they withdraw their payment that they made for their 10 PLEX, claiming that CCP didn't deliver the service since they gambled away their money. Then CCP's debt collection department finally has something to do again.. you can't just ban ISK doublers. It's a sector of industry that creates many jobs in Eve.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#48 - 2014-06-13 10:48:51 UTC
I think scamming plays a part in Eve. It's a huge deal and enhances the gameplay and risk factors.. However i will say this: All forms of trade (legitimate or otherwise) should be banned from all Local chat channels. Trade chat channels, Contracts and the Market are self contained units... local is entirely lost in 'trade hubs' because of insane levels of spam.

It encourages Bot'ing and RMT.

This would be a definite QOL change for veterans and newbies alike.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#49 - 2014-06-13 10:51:26 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
I think scamming plays a part in Eve. It's a huge deal and enhances the gameplay and risk factors.. However i will say this: All forms of trade (legitimate or otherwise) should be banned from all Local chat channels. Trade chat channels, Contracts and the Market are self contained units... local is entirely lost in 'trade hubs' because of insane levels of spam.

It encourages Bot'ing and RMT.

This would be a definite QOL change for veterans and newbies alike.


We should also ban mining from local. It encourages botting and genocide in Africa.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#50 - 2014-06-13 11:08:24 UTC
Yes. This thread is happening. Big smileBig smile

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Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-06-13 11:09:28 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
All forms of trade (legitimate or otherwise) should be banned from [...] Local chat channels [...] in 'trade hubs'
Wow, that really makes sense.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-06-13 11:13:29 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#53 - 2014-06-13 11:17:11 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

my corpies and i like to play "spot the legitimate trade" whenever we're in jita, its fun.

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Dave stark
#54 - 2014-06-13 11:18:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

my corpies and i like to play "spot the legitimate trade" whenever we're in jita, its fun.

i play a similar game in some certain areas of the city, but it's usually not trades i'm spotting.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-06-13 11:20:12 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

my corpies and i like to play "spot the legitimate trade" whenever we're in jita, its fun.

i play a similar game in some certain areas of the city, but it's usually not trades i'm spotting.
Alas, those areas are full of nasty surprises indeed - unless you enjoy being surprised, that is.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Dave stark
#56 - 2014-06-13 11:24:17 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

my corpies and i like to play "spot the legitimate trade" whenever we're in jita, its fun.

i play a similar game in some certain areas of the city, but it's usually not trades i'm spotting.
Alas, those areas are full of nasty surprises indeed - unless you enjoy being surprised, that is.

well, we certainly don't stop the car. it's like a safari.
Solecist Project
#57 - 2014-06-13 11:26:40 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Right click the morons in local and block them. Takes only a couple minutes to work thru all the current ones, and local will come to a standstill. At that point you will see other folks (that already blocked the spammers) having convos. Ugh

I used to block the piranhas in Jita Local but I've found that leaving them unblocked is an interesting speed reading exercise. Eventually your brain just adapts and skips over the bots and doublers.

That's bad for the brain and drops the awareness level.

At first the brain tries to keep up.
Then the brain starts to block tmi from your awareness, as you say correctly,
but that's bad. The brain reduces your awareness level,
because removing parts of the observed information needs processing power.

It's not possible to ignore things. Ignoring is an active process
and in this case the brain does not ignore,
it tries to reduce the unnecessary amount of data at a cost
that makes it not worth trybserving it in the first place.

In the end is what you are doing not only reducing your awareness,
but also creating stress, reduces concentration, increases automatic responses and behaviour
and causes tunnel vision.

You may not even be aware of it until you start looking for it.

I warned you. *shrugs*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-06-13 11:28:13 UTC
Clenz wrote:
I always thought greed with a side of stupidity is what made people fall for obvious scams. Thanks to the OP, i know now it is because of the '****** ui.'

Thanks for the enlightenment!

Honestly, just close local while you are in the trade hubs and you will never see 99% of the most obvious scams that people atempt to run. You could also avoid the major marekt hubs all together.


Hang on, you don't close local in ALL systems? Shocked Why would you do that to yourself? Nothing ever written in local chat in any system has been worth reading.

Personally, I wish there was a way to turn off the chat window, leaving just the member list (since you can do it the other way around). Until that day, I make do with reducing it to the bare minimum width, and occasionally wondering what that ascii image that I just crushed into meaningless was supposed to be.
Reiisha
#59 - 2014-06-13 11:29:21 UTC
You won't stop the scamming - Being a backhanded jerk is a choice you're allowed to make in EVE.

I would like to see CCP being a bit more proactive about warning people that this is actually allowed and going on before they start playing. New players will always come into contact with the game before they find the community, so a community solution isn't really effective.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#60 - 2014-06-13 11:32:56 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Nobody is making you give them the isk. Roll

They do it to see posts like these not to mention make a spaceshitload of isk. Lol

It's one of Eve's easiest intelligence tests. Guess what, you failed.

I hate them simply because they **** up local when it could be an otherwise fun thing to use if your bored while going through the market.


right click and block. the Turing Test of Eve Intelligence

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