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Solecist Project
#61 - 2014-06-12 14:49:21 UTC
Holy bomb, how do you even play this game
if things a child could do are too much for you already?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-06-12 14:57:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Holy bomb, how do you even play this game
if things a child could do are too much for you already?


I use missiles Cool

Got one lazer boat in my hanger and it's just there for cool looks. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Solecist Project
#63 - 2014-06-12 14:58:35 UTC
One of the easymode, skill-less no-effort pilots?

Disgusting!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-06-12 14:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Spectral Tiger wrote:

You talk about repairing crystals then compare them to ammo (which they are of course).
You repair turrets but you don't repair ammo. Buying 500 more antimatter ammo is not really any different to buying another crystal.



Aye, but when you finish an engagement, with your railguns half empty, you can just fill your guns up to full for the next engagement, you aren't stuck with the choice of going in to the next fight half-loaded, or reloading, and being stuck with a small stack of antimatter that absolutely refuses to stack with any of your other stacks of antimatter (and for some reason you can't sell anymore because you have "dirtied" them by putting them in your gun). And when you group your guns, you can be sure that every single gun has the same amount of rounds left (because it physically wont let them group otherwise), and not suddenly have your guns stop because one railgun only had ten rounds in it while the others had 100.

Don't get me wrong - I know its a flavour issue, and the inconvenient parts of it are well offset by the convenient parts. As someone who has flown many an Ahac, I am well aware that comparing a single crystal with a single weapon reload isn't really fair, since a single crystal can put out more shots than any single "ammo-ed" weapon, and the instant-reload is another tasty plus-point. It's just all those annoying damaged crystals cluttering up the station hanger are a real needle digging away at the OCD.

EDIT - Sudden thought, can you put a small container inside a larger one? I've honestly never tried. Maybe I could "out of sight, out of mind" the damn things and stop that needle digging away.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-06-12 15:04:50 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
One of the easymode, skill-less no-effort pilots?

Disgusting!


Yes, sometimes I feel dirty myself, but thats nothing a look at my current wallet can't resolve. ^_^

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Solecist Project
#66 - 2014-06-12 15:34:18 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
One of the easymode, skill-less no-effort pilots?

Disgusting!


Yes, sometimes I feel dirty myself, but thats nothing a look at my current wallet can't resolve. ^_^

Well... for your defense.... I love your face so badly,
I can't be mad at you for long anyway. <3

Dirty? That's not necessarily a bad thing... ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
In-Game Tools Please
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-06-12 17:55:44 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
One of the easymode, skill-less no-effort pilots?

Disgusting!

Effort in EVE died the moment EVE itself died. Which happened the moment the Goons won EVE.

Also confirming I was full of crap when I said I blocked you. Bear
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-06-12 18:43:09 UTC
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
One of the easymode, skill-less no-effort pilots?

Disgusting!

Effort in EVE died the moment EVE itself died. Which happened the moment the Goons won EVE.

Also confirming I was full of crap when I said I blocked you. Bear


Goons won EVE?

Where was the tickertape parade?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#69 - 2014-06-12 23:24:09 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
apart from the fact that I'm not spending money on the market?
And that, is exactly the difference that matters.


That explains why T1 crystals are never purchased on the market, I guess.

Dum Spiro Spero
Jim Era
#70 - 2014-06-12 23:48:12 UTC
Lazors #1

Wat™
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#71 - 2014-06-13 00:24:29 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:


Why?

What's wrong with them being depletable?

Why add another layer of complexity to a thing as simple as ammo?

It's ammo - you use it to shoot guns and it depletes over time. There shouldn't be much philosophy involved in the process. Straight

Because the current system is more complex, because unlike other ammo, you can't stack damaged crystals. So you end up with loads of partly damaged crystals lying around taking up awkward inv space in the list. While your faction antimatter stacks with itself all nice & tidy.

Repairing on it's own would however kill the crystal market, people are quite right.

So the simplest solution seen on this oft discussed topic is to allow 'Recutting' which is a stacking which can only be done in stations/pos Or heck, it 'could' be possible inside a ship cargo hold even.
Which takes your 4 25% crystals and makes a single 100% crystal out of them. This avoids 'creating' materials out of thin air, or bypassing manufacturing by keeping the overall crystal percentage intact but as 100% crystals can be stacked this means you won't end up with large numbers of partial crystals.


I was actually replying to this post:
Quote:
What we thought of was player-driven repair. No, not logi, but similar - corporations and/or players that can offer a repair service, rather than having NPC station services handling it, with maybe a skill and/or special office that corporation hires that can handle the process. That way, everything could be repairable, and it would add more "player driven" to a player-driven economy.


If you can see, there are some special repair services and new skills mentioned there Smile We already have enough special cases in the game that I don't think we need more. As for the idea, mixing damaged crystals to get less damaged (or repaired) one looks like a natural way to do it in any station that already has Repair services.

Don't get me wrong, I was not against a well reasoned and implemented change - I am simply against adding more complexity and more "hidden in plain sight" player run services Smile I'm talking about this from my experience with new(ish) players, where almost all of them who I had contact with didn't know that even player run freight services existed.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#72 - 2014-06-13 00:27:27 UTC
I actually thought of creating a thread for the first time today

I decided against it

It had nothting to do wiht layzors

I dont know why I decided to ship toast instead

Sorry, move along

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-06-13 06:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
KaarBaak wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
apart from the fact that I'm not spending money on the market?
And that, is exactly the difference that matters.


That explains why T1 crystals are never purchased on the market, I guess.

Well. I didn't buy my T1 crystals on the market either, but the T2 crystals can only be looted from other players, bought on the market or manufactured and in either case someone spent or sold something on the market or did some T2 Ammo manufacturing. EDIT: Or all of that.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-06-13 08:05:36 UTC
What if you had a crystal repair paste, or something like that?
It'd come in faction and T2 variants, and you'd need the faction one to repair faction crystals and the T2 one to repair T2 crystals, and, most importantly, you'd need the according type of crystal to produce that paste.

That would probably make buying new crystals more cost efficient, thus still providing an incentive to buy new crystals (in addition to needing new ones due to ship destructions and so).
On the other hand, you could use the paste to repair crystals for all the reasons you people want to be able to repair crystals.

As the paste needs crystals to be produced, it shouldn't affect the crystal market too much.
Erin Crawford
#75 - 2014-06-13 10:50:38 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
while we're on the topic of lasers and crystals:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4055632#post4055632
Blink


For those interested, the above thread has been unlocked by CCP Falcon. Big smile

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-06-13 12:14:27 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

Well... for your defense.... I love your face so badly,
I can't be mad at you for long anyway. <3

Dirty? That's not necessarily a bad thing... ;)


\o/ Big smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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