Crime & Punishment

The "code" is just mildly weird RP-ing to go alongside petty ganking. It can safely be ignored, interact with these people as you wish. Wave at them in local, or shake your fist in anger.

crying on the forums. good "RP"

People still use auto-pilot?

The way I look at it is this... It takes almost twice as long to auto-pilot a freighter 20 jumps, then to go gate to gate manually. Therefore won't you make more isk, by being able to make more runs doing it manually then auto-piloting? Also because it is much 'safer' to fly manually then to auto-pilot you wont be losing as many ships reducing your overhead.

So in this case it is costing you alot more isk to operate your trade runs doing things the lazy way.

It says it right in Jim 315's Code thingy. "AFK mining leads to botting." It's one of the fundamental non sequiturs tenets of the New Order faith.

Pro gankers do indeed gank for profit. We gank because our GCC is up.

I have done enough observations in the pirate-infested waters of the Amarr <-> Jita line to say that it's not really a waste.

1) They gank the Autopilot (most likely afk) shuttles simply for teaching those "AFK beings" (not 'players', since they don't play the game) a lesson (about the risks of High Security space), which is often a good thing.

2) Greed isn't the only reason to gank in new eden. if the player has fun while shooting autopilot shuttles all day, "having fun" is also a very good reason and therefore it's not a waste.

[Asimov Mode On] 3) Our psychology department in the University of Obelisk, after studying the CODE., confirms that the minerbumping.com crowd is highly brain-washed motivated by their Code. [/Asimov Mode Off]

Did you know that the terms "AFK" and "Botting" only appear twice in the code? Neither are in that sentence though.

I feel sorry for people that feel the need to cry on the forums about how they could do things so much better. I offer a response to the personal attack with the following:

1. Post with your main if you are going to call people out on the forums.
2. The Conference Elite has taken CODE. to the next level, along with input of various outside members and internal corps attempting to step up their game and we will continue to do so moving forward. So our "leadership" is proven to be a success.

However I for one will enjoy being at the forefront of this movement along with Loyal, whilst you sit on the outside looking in, crying on the forums about how we are doing such a bad job.

you should stop crying on the forums. makes you look needy.

Considering the reactions of some of the New Order gank victims, and the fail fits seen on some of the ships of same, I'd have to say the New Order actually do perform a valuable service for the EVE community. I say that as a player, who these days mostly spend his time doing various PvE activities, mining in HiSec included.

However, I also find it hard to wholeheartedly support their mission, through words, actions or contributions, due to the mixed messages occasionally coming from that front. They could really do with straightening their message presented to the rest of EVE.

For instance 'AFK mining' in HiSec is not a thing, and hasn't been for quite a while. This is even more true after the launch of Kronos a few days ago. Given the small size of HiSec asteroids, and the cycle time of mining lasers, you cannot really turn the back to your client for more than a few moments at best. If the mining lasers are burning, then the pilot does tinker with the client at very regular intervals. Mining is by now no more an AFK activity than running an L4 sec mission is. Which is to say 'not very'. Anybody, who says differently, hasn't been in a mining fleet recently. It is quite obvious when somebody actually goes AFK for a bio or whatever, as their ship(s) rather quickly ... stops mining!

If a pilot doesn't respond to hails in local while mining, or when somebody else warps on grid, then he could be either:

*) Ignorant of the problems with neutrals near his mining barge.
*) Possibly not a native English speaker. My little group of mining friends have tested this. Non-native English speakers may not react to hails in English from me, yet they will if we can figure out what their language of choice is (check player and corp bio) and have someone able to speak it.
*) Possibly multi-boxing and currently Alt-Tabbed. Have known a fair share of low- or nullsec pilots, who mine in HiSec for a bit of ISK on the side, while simultaneously being in a PvP fleet.
*) Actually using illegal botting software.

Just a thought.