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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2014-06-08 12:13:39 UTC
Zhana Huren wrote:
This may be a bit dated but it still holds a lot of the basics and has been read by a good chuck of us that practice piracy.

Beginner's Guide to Piracy

Please note however that there have been a lot of changes since this came out. You'll have to find out the current standard fits and maybe a couple wacky ones that are in use.

Feel free to pm me with any questions that you may have. I'll be more then happy to answer them.



This guide is extremely outdated, having been written in the era before Jump Freighter proliferation killed off lowsec ransoming. While there are nuggets of wisdom in there, the fundamental premise - that piracy is a lowsec trade - is just flat out wrong.

Remember - pirates are predators, and predators can only survive in the areas that prey is found in. And as someone that loves hunting people in lowsec, I can say that there simply is not enough prey there to serve even the existing pirates, much less new ones.

OP - I suggest you clarify whether you are interested more in mugging-style piracy (give me ISK or I'll pod you), extortion style piracy (Folks, this is *my* system. I will tolerate your presence if you pay me ISK. Otherwise, you'll end up like him *links killmail*), or deceptive piracy, where you act like you are the target's friend, shake their hand, sit them down, and stab them in the back.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Velarra
#22 - 2014-06-09 19:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Velarra
As a tiny inconsequential role-play footnote - Pirates in Eve, when discussed in advertising / marketing terms are not all typically "pirates" a la 'yarr! your isk or your ship i take!'. As stated earlier, it's a rather open ended term within Eve.

If anything "pirate" is a bit of a classification / variable for factions or organizations that are not members of the CONCORD Assembly, generally. Some of whom ARE pirates, or simply exist as organizations/businesses/cults of such size that they hold their own sovereignty despite non membership or even the favor of the CONCORD Assembly.

For genuinely notable exceptions you might want to look to the Sisters of Eve whose ships are classified as "Pirate Faction" or the new Mordu vessels.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#23 - 2014-06-09 20:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
"Piracy" in EVE Online is really a tricky concept. To really get into it, you have to delve into the meta game. By this I mean - there is no actual game mechanic by which you click a button and now you've magically become a pirate. You don't "join" pirate factions the way you join empires in Factional Warfare. It's a bit more... meta than that.

First, let's look at what a pirate is in conventional, RL terms, and then apply that to some things in EVE Online. Most people in EVE Online will tell you that a pirate is someone who PvPs in LowSec and has below -5.0 security status. But this is not actually true. -5.0 just means you are a criminal. IRL, all pirates are criminals, but not all criminals are pirates. In EVE Online, not all criminals are pirates and not all pirates are criminals.

Let's look at some actual definitions of "pirate" and apply those to EVE Online.

  • 1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
  • 2. any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates.

And what is "plunder"?

  • 3. to rob of goods or valuables by open force, as in war, hostile raids, brigandage
  • 4. to take wrongfully, as by pillage, robbery, or fraud

So let's see here, based on these definitions

  • 1. People who suicide gank miners and mission runners in HiSec are pirates. People who shoot other people in LowSec can also be considered pirates, but their piracy is incidental, not intentional, and they fall more along the lines of "thugs" than pirates. In many cases this PvP is consensual - "pirate" corps shooting other "pirate" corps - in which case they are more gang bangers than they are "pirates".
  • 2. People who suicide gank freighters for their cargo in HiSec are very much so pirates. People who gank haulers in LowSec are also pirates, but again, this is incidental. Very few people in LowSec fashion their gameplay around finding haulers to kill for profit - a hauler in LowSec is a target of opportunity. A hauler in HiSec is a target for people who have chosen ganking them as a career path.
  • 3. You can't say that anyone who operates in NullSec are pirates - Null pilots and Null entities are already operating in a PAZ (permanent autonomous zone) and are not beholden to any of the laws of Empire space (HiSec, LowSec). But they do rob each other of goods and valuables by open force and war. But again, they are sovereign entities, so they are no more "pirates" than two nations that go to war.
  • 4. People who join corps to kill corp members and steal from the corporation are committing fraud and thus fall under the "pirate" umbrella, regardless of what security rating they do this in.

So if you want to be a "pirate" in EVE, you have to break the in-game laws - illegal aggression in HiSec, LowSec, you have to steal from people, scam them, and defraud them. These are options that are open to every player, and it is a legitimate playstyle. The caveat, however, is that while there are some in-game consequences (which are really minor inconveniences), there are serious social consequences to this playstyle, and once you have even a little bit of a history, you will find it very hard to get involved in corporations and groups that aren't pirates. It's easy to start the game and get into piracy right away. It's easy to play for years as a "nice guy" in HiSec, mining and running missions, and then get into piracy.

It's another thing entirely to go from a life of piracy and retire to a life of being a "nice guy" anywhere. The stigma of what you've done will follow you. It is for this reason that a lot of the more hardcore piracy (scamming, AWOXing, etcetc) is done on alts. Those who do piracy on their main often have alts for "playing nice" in other corporations, or simply never wish to engage in that playstyle.

I myself was a pirate for a number of years, and I've successfully retired and found myself a corporation to "play nice in". But it was very difficult for me to do so, and many of my old contacts consider me a "sell out".

If you want to go into piracy, then power to you, and good luck. Despite what people say, you can make money doing piracy - but the piracy that pays is the type of piracy that comes with the social consequences.

I hope you found this helpful.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Bal'Ayle
Steel Battalion
Fraternity.
#24 - 2014-06-11 17:20:58 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Read this article from my blog for my take on it -

http://everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-dark-arts-newbies-handbook-for-evil.html?m=1

The question that you need to ask yourself is what piracy means to you and what sort of piracy you want to do. The EVE community has some large differences of opinion on the subject. For some people, having negative security status from doing PvP in lowsec is what defines a pirate. For others, it means either camping or hunting lowsec for noncombatant ships which can be warp scrambled and held for ransom.

I personally view piracy as any profitable activity which involves shooting at people who are unprepared or unwilling to engage in PvP. In my opinion isk-negative lowsec goodfights do not qualify as piracy, but highsec corp infiltration or mission invasion most certainly does, because the money is good. Others will certainly disagree with me and that is fine. Any form of PvP career is valid in my eyes, but I won't call anything piracy that isn't both profitable and devious.



In the same vein - *I quoted because I love Headonism Bot's blog*

You are actually at quite an advantage with a few methods of piracy, ignorance is hard to emulate and your small corp history will mean people will be more willing to help you.

For instance find a wormhole, take some friends with you thru it to explore - other new people would be a good start and then take them out on the other side.

No sec status hits and gets u some easy kills.


Similarly you should ALWAYS have people you trust and wouldnt double cross. these are your wingmen. This could be a guy waiting on the other side of a wormhole in a safe spot waiting to come assist you, it would be a chap who brings in people for you to kill. There are always times when friendship and trust are needed even as a pirate.

I'm coming back to eve after a long absence. Feel free to drop me an EVE mail and I will throw you some iskies to get u started - if you want you can practice a couple of frig dog fights with me to get a feel for things - let me know I can always make use of a new wingman =]
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#25 - 2014-06-12 22:55:16 UTC
Can't stress the importance of wingmen, and the social consequence of piracy. Do not assume you'll get into a carebear corporation on that character after a while. Your actions (killmails, wardecs) are all documented. That being said who gives a flying ****, you wouln't want to join such a corp anyway when your interests lie in PVP. Lol

I kill, plunder, extort, all that nasty stuff... but I keep my word and most of all I don't go around insulting people. You can get away with a lot of you don't rub your activities in everyones face. Giggle at the failfit killmails with your wingmen only, don't go around burning people for making the very mistakes you cash in on.

Goad them into trying again instead. Lol Kidding, respect your prey. It's the only thing seperating proper pirates from drunken highwaymen these days. Pirate
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#26 - 2014-06-13 00:37:37 UTC
Bal'Ayle wrote:


Similarly you should ALWAYS have people you trust and wouldnt double cross. these are your wingmen. This could be a guy waiting on the other side of a wormhole in a safe spot waiting to come assist you, it would be a chap who brings in people for you to kill. There are always times when friendship and trust are needed even as a pirate.



There are people I will not double cross in EVE. But, I never, ever make the assumption that they will not double cross me (either intentionally or accidentally). And I assume that the people I will not double cross still watch their backs around me - they'd better, because if they provided too large an opportunity, I might revise my inclinations and take it.

Preparing for being double-crossed doesn't mean never getting into positions where an ally can harm you. It means never presenting such a fantastic target that they can't resist backstabbing you, and having plans for how you will minimize the damage they do, and extract yourself as well as possible from any backstabbing situation.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Bal'Ayle
Steel Battalion
Fraternity.
#27 - 2014-06-13 06:20:55 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
... There are people I will not double cross in EVE. But, I never, ever make the assumption that they will not double cross me...


A very very good point, On assumption I thought that pretty obvious :D but yes in reality yesterdays friends all too often become tomorrows targets.

However If you can avoid becoming a target and u do find people you can trust enough / maintain enough of a threat level they leave u alone it makes things a lot easier =]

Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-06-13 06:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Luwc
Dhalvex Vhalera wrote:
Fellow Capsuleers,

Allow me to introduce myself. I'm Dhalvex and I'm new to the life of a pod pilot. I was enticed here on the recommendation of some random reviews and opinions around the web. Mostly at the promise of complex and rewarding player combat. I've also seen a lot of advertisements for Kronos lately, and it's catch line "Rise of the Pirates" piqued my interest the most. Without any more needing to be said on that, here I am!

I've come to you with a question regarding the path of a pirate. I've been flying around with Aura and learning the ins and outs of space combat and some of industry, but it doesn't seem like anything really points you in the direction of where an aspiring pirate may go. I see that there are pirate ships on the market, per say, but I don't think that constitutes being a pirate as I see them everywhere, and it also seems like I'm mostly being sent to kill npc pirates all the time instead of joining up with them.

There are a lot of resources here on the forums that have helped me understand somewhat of how to play, from mining to missions, but I can't find much on what the role of a pirate is or how to go down the path of becoming one. I admit my first day has largely been spent shooting at asteroids and I don't find that nearly as fulfilling or romantic as a nice fat ransom.

Could anyone point me to where I should go to figure out the best way of becoming who it is that I want to be?

Thanks in advance,
D.V.


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