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Come back veteran/younger player! Be a prick or... be a prick!

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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-06-12 20:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
Quite interesitng news hit my mailbox today.

Out of my [redacted] unsubbed accounts, I received two different kinds of offers to resub. Both offered the same financial benefit (9.99 € for the first month, or either pick a deal on PLEX deals which cost more than a month's worth of subscription... hang me if I *ever* understand that).

The interesting bit, is HOW the game is being sold to an account with several years on, and to an account which lasted barely a couple months or so (now I don't remember).

The header:

Veteran account: "[Main character's name], see what Kronos brought to EVE last week"

Younger account: "The Empire factions fear your return, [Main character's name]"

The Babble:

Veteran account:

>>Greetings [Main character's name],

Return to EVE Online and join the struggle for control of the universe. Returning players will find special deals on game time and PLEX when they log into Account Management. Use one or use them all. We’re easy like that.

(Big banner: Kronos / The rise of pirates / They are watching you)

(selling points)

These are just some of the changes introduced in Kronos. For full list of changes head to the Kronos release page or dive into all the details with the Kronos patch notes.

We look forward to your return!

- The EVE Online Dev Team>>

Younger account:

>>(Large Banner: "Make the mighty empires quake in their spaceboots"

Greetings [Main character's name],

The Empires are losing their hold on the pilots of New Eden, and each one of you that returns is another blow to their crumbling authority.

(Selling points)

The capsuleers have been laying claim across the universe, and now a new threat arises. The recent Kronos release (3 June) has brought pirates out of the shadows with advanced technology that pilots have been seizing and using to further their own ends.

(more selling points)

Return to EVE Online and join the struggle for control of the universe. Join your fellow capsuleers in challenging the Empires, fighting back the pirate factions, and securing their position as the true rulers of New Eden.

We look forward to your return!

- The EVE Online Dev Team>>


The selling points:

Veteran account:

Selling point 1: New Mordus Legion Ships
Selling point 2: Pirate Faction Ships Rebalance
Selling point 3: Freighters And Transports Changes
Selling point 4: New Drone Modules And Skill Updates

Younger account:

» Player-owned Mobile Structures
» Capsuleer control of high sec customs offices
» Guerrilla Warfare
» Ghost Sites hacked and looted
» Exploration Sites discovered
» Null sec outpost services

(Babble)

» Mordu’s Legion frigate, cruiser and battleship
» Upgraded pirate faction ships
» ORE Prospect exploration frigate
» New drone skills and modules

My commentary:

It is interesting to see how CCP keeps reselling the game to former subscribers, and honestly the ads are engaging and well done. Marketing certainly earns their cookies!

Anyway, I've been a bit surprised to learn that Kronos actually had a theme (the "rise of the pirates" thing). Can't recall to have seen it advertised, maybe because Kronos was to be about industry and else, but industry slipped back to Crius.

Further, I wonder how many people will think like me and ask: where are the Empyreans? What if I want to prevent the nullsec capsuleers from further plaguing the universe with their guys-who-play-videogames attitude? Where is the sandbox if CCP one-sidedly decides that we all want to be psychopathic pricks and the Empires, who merely outnumber capsuleers by a million to one, are hapless to do **** about it as we Empire capsuleers are denied tools and mechanics?

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-06-12 21:09:49 UTC
Would you rather have the truth?

Veteran player:

Header: Come back! We changed, we promise!

Content: Just kidding. Its time to get hooked on Eve again and burn out like last time. Heres [special offer] for you.


Newer player:

Header: Come back! We made it easier for new players!

Content: LOL No. Its all still the same, but you know what to expect this time around right? Heres [special offer] for you.


Truth. Rarely found in advertising.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3 - 2014-06-12 21:42:02 UTC
Quote:
Make the mighty empires quake in their spaceboots


Yes, CONCORD will loose their slippers in a hurry when they will see someone's ganking. Roll
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2014-06-12 22:09:47 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
Where is the sandbox if CCP one-sidedly decides that we all want to be psychopathic pricks and the Empires, who merely outnumber capsuleers by a million to one, are hapless to do **** about it as we Empire capsuleers are denied tools and mechanics?

"Tools and mechanics" to support the empires never existed beyond missioning for them due to the nature of capsuleer lore. Capsuleers are demigod-like spectacularly powerful people beyond the Empires' control by their very nature. Even if they are not "psychopathic pricks" their very existence undermines authority on some level.

Suppose for the sake of analogy that superheroes (Superman-style) were real and there were a handful (few tens) of such individuals on Earth. Not only can they go toe to toe with any government enforcement less than a major operation, but these individuals are also all trillionaires and cross national borders with impunity, going wherever their business takes them. Even if they never abuse their powers for illegal/destructive matters, their very existence creates a "special case" in which powerful rogue individuals obey the law not because they have to, but because they want to. And no, the empires can't stop the spread of capsuleers not only because capsuleers are extremely powerful and practically immortal, but also because they are tacitly backed by the Jove.

So, it's less about all capsuleers being psychopaths and more about a shift in the balance of power, which always makes those in power uneasy. They have to continue working with capsuleers because the consequences of not working withany of them (or actively working against all of them) are too grave.

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-13 00:01:43 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
Where is the sandbox if CCP one-sidedly decides that we all want to be psychopathic pricks and the Empires, who merely outnumber capsuleers by a million to one, are hapless to do **** about it as we Empire capsuleers are denied tools and mechanics?

"Tools and mechanics" to support the empires never existed beyond missioning for them due to the nature of capsuleer lore. Capsuleers are demigod-like spectacularly powerful people beyond the Empires' control by their very nature. Even if they are not "psychopathic pricks" their very existence undermines authority on some level.

Suppose for the sake of analogy that superheroes (Superman-style) were real and there were a handful (few tens) of such individuals on Earth. Not only can they go toe to toe with any government enforcement less than a major operation, but these individuals are also all trillionaires and cross national borders with impunity, going wherever their business takes them. Even if they never abuse their powers for illegal/destructive matters, their very existence creates a "special case" in which powerful rogue individuals obey the law not because they have to, but because they want to. And no, the empires can't stop the spread of capsuleers not only because capsuleers are extremely powerful and practically immortal, but also because they are tacitly backed by the Jove.

So, it's less about all capsuleers being psychopaths and more about a shift in the balance of power, which always makes those in power uneasy. They have to continue working with capsuleers because the consequences of not working withany of them (or actively working against all of them) are too grave.


I never read lore because I usually find it too time consuming. You however have a knack for explaining and making it interesting, you should write cliff notes to the lore, I would read it. :)
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-13 00:44:34 UTC
I agree, the marketing is pretty decent. They are trying to offer different things to what seem like different groups with their own possible motivations.

I don't understand how you see a laundry list of industry changes and neat looking new ships and translate that into "CCP wants us to be psychopaths". I mean, of course they do.. but nothing in your post actually points to any of that. The ads offer hope and the promise of adventure.

OP's avatar makes me think she is nekid. I think it's intentional! I had to cover my eyes.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2014-06-13 01:08:07 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
"Tools and mechanics" to support the empires never existed beyond missioning for them due to the nature of capsuleer lore. Capsuleers are demigod-like spectacularly powerful people beyond the Empires' control by their very nature. Even if they are not "psychopathic pricks" their very existence undermines authority on some level.
…not to mention that your average mission involves murdering somewhere around 30,000 people in the span of maybe 15–20 minutes or so. Blink
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2014-06-13 01:12:33 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
we Empire capsuleers


Death to the False Emperor

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-06-13 01:13:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
"Tools and mechanics" to support the empires never existed beyond missioning for them due to the nature of capsuleer lore. Capsuleers are demigod-like spectacularly powerful people beyond the Empires' control by their very nature. Even if they are not "psychopathic pricks" their very existence undermines authority on some level.
…not to mention that your average mission involves murdering somewhere around 30,000 people in the span of maybe 15–20 minutes or so. Blink


Population control has never been so easy!
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-13 01:16:50 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
Make the mighty empires quake in their spaceboots


Yes, CONCORD will loose their slippers in a hurry when they will see someone's ganking. Roll



CONCORD is not one of the empires. CONCORD is a Jovian conspiracy to regulate capsuleers for Jovian experimentation.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2014-06-13 03:23:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…not to mention that your average mission involves murdering somewhere around 30,000 people in the span of maybe 15–20 minutes or so. Blink

Given how terrible those ships tank & DPS are they are obviously terribly under crewed and trying to make do with people sprinting around the ship star wars like after they are already taking fire to try and get to the right guns to shoot back with. :P Only explanation for why we haven't depopulated New Eden so far.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2014-06-13 04:19:01 UTC
Mark Munoz wrote:
I never read lore because I usually find it too time consuming. You however have a knack for explaining and making it interesting, you should write cliff notes to the lore, I would read it. :)

I'm in the wrong ISD team for that, sorry. It's just not my job. P

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

Conrad Lionhart
#13 - 2014-06-13 06:07:36 UTC
Why didn't I get such an offer? I was away for over a year!
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-06-13 06:58:44 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
Where is the sandbox if CCP one-sidedly decides that we all want to be psychopathic pricks and the Empires, who merely outnumber capsuleers by a million to one, are hapless to do **** about it as we Empire capsuleers are denied tools and mechanics?

"Tools and mechanics" to support the empires never existed beyond missioning for them due to the nature of capsuleer lore. Capsuleers are demigod-like spectacularly powerful people beyond the Empires' control by their very nature. Even if they are not "psychopathic pricks" their very existence undermines authority on some level.

Suppose for the sake of analogy that superheroes (Superman-style) were real and there were a handful (few tens) of such individuals on Earth. Not only can they go toe to toe with any government enforcement less than a major operation, but these individuals are also all trillionaires and cross national borders with impunity, going wherever their business takes them. Even if they never abuse their powers for illegal/destructive matters, their very existence creates a "special case" in which powerful rogue individuals obey the law not because they have to, but because they want to. And no, the empires can't stop the spread of capsuleers not only because capsuleers are extremely powerful and practically immortal, but also because they are tacitly backed by the Jove.

So, it's less about all capsuleers being psychopaths and more about a shift in the balance of power, which always makes those in power uneasy. They have to continue working with capsuleers because the consequences of not working withany of them (or actively working against all of them) are too grave.


I understand the lore behind "rogue" capsuleers, but the game just shies out of its implications for the Empires. Going outside of the empires and brawl is one of the things the capsuleers would do; infiltrate and manipulate the Empires in their favor would be another.

FAI: Why can't I bribe CONCORD so it preemtively strikes well known gankers?

According to the current EVE mechanics, as an outlaw, it makes no sense that the State protects me, so I must protect myself; but in real life and not EVE, a truly powerful outlaw will just "persuade" the State to protect him. Why risk your own ships when commoners/NPCs are ready to die for you?

Also, some capsuleers may have a heart and think of all the children... some may love and appreciate civilization better than the false and overly pandered "virtues" of "primitive life", aka barbarism.

Playing Attila the Hun is fun... but also is playing Julius Caesar. Blink

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#15 - 2014-06-13 07:04:15 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:

FAI: Why can't I bribe CONCORD so it preemtively strikes well known gankers?

Because those same players will just have Concord come and kill you back. Highsec would descend (or ascend depending on your perspective) into Concord running around ganking everyone.

Crap game design.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#16 - 2014-06-13 09:38:53 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Mark Munoz wrote:
I never read lore because I usually find it too time consuming. You however have a knack for explaining and making it interesting, you should write cliff notes to the lore, I would read it. :)

I'm in the wrong ISD team for that, sorry. It's just not my job. P


I hear job rotation is healthy for you. Blink

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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-13 10:40:18 UTC
Is this another AFK cloaking thread?
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#18 - 2014-06-13 11:19:51 UTC
The one I saw said "Join Eve , be the bad guy"

Its an Icelandic plot. They miss the days of "going a Viking"

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-06-13 12:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:


Further, I wonder how many people will think like me and ask: where are the Empyreans? What if I want to prevent the nullsec capsuleers from further plaguing the universe with their guys-who-play-videogames attitude? Where is the sandbox if CCP one-sidedly decides that we all want to be psychopathic pricks and the Empires, who merely outnumber capsuleers by a million to one, are hapless to do **** about it as we Empire capsuleers are denied tools and mechanics?


Sometimes, you don't even have to read between the lines lol. reading the above paragraph makes me wonder why the OP even plays this particular game

First of all, how does one "plague" a universe with an "I'm keeping this video game in proper context" attitude?

Secondly, how is CCP (who made a game that does not take sides) one-sidedly deciding that you need to be a prick? Hell, you don't even have to be particularly mean to anyone in this game to get filthy rich (example: his name is Cribba).

That last bit is the most telling that. How are you "denied tools and mechanics"? MOST mechanics in EVE online cater exactly to you 'empire capsuleer' types: CONCORD, crime watch, npc stations and resources in high sec, low sec, and NPC null + the VERY "unfriendly to large groups" space known as wormholes etc etc.

Basically the whole OP is high sec whining about real eve players organized null sec groups and about some imaginary 'prick' bias the game has (as is the game doesn't have 'nice guy features' like the -give money- function and modules that allow you to remotely heal random ships in space if you choose).

That 'the game won't let me be a nice guy' stuff is a lie, it's like a guy in real life saying "I would volunteer and give to charity, but there aren't enough tax breaks for stuff like that, society should reward me for doing nice things!".
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-06-13 12:41:44 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:


FAI: Why can't I bribe CONCORD so it preemtively strikes well known gankers?



Case in point. So you need SPECIAL consideration that other's don't get. I don't get to bribe CONCORD to attack war targets for me when I'm in high sec, I have to defend myself (because EVE is a sandbox game).

Quote:

According to the current EVE mechanics, as an outlaw, it makes no sense that the State protects me, so I must protect myself; but in real life and not EVE, a truly powerful outlaw will just "persuade" the State to protect him. Why risk your own ships when commoners/NPCs are ready to die for you?

Also, some capsuleers may have a heart and think of all the children... some may love and appreciate civilization better than the false and overly pandered "virtues" of "primitive life", aka barbarism.


That bolded part is hilarious, as 'think of the children' is something real life people hide behind to mask what are actually silly and horrible ideas.

Quote:

Playing Attila the Hun is fun... but also is playing Julius Caesar. Blink
You are of course aware that Julius Caesar was a homicidal tyrant (go ask the Gauls and the Britons) whose greedy and selfish actions helped topple a republic that at elast had some measure of freedom and paved the way for his successors to rule basically absolute monarchs right? Attila probably wasn't any worse than any other antiquity era conqueror, hell, he might have even been 'nicer' than Caesar.
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