EVE New Citizens Q&A

Again I apologize for a pointed approach. I was motivated by concern.

I would advise against using the shares system, as it tends to be well-known for it's ability to be abused, in order to usurp control, and steal corp & member assets. Many stories about this sort of use are documented and circulated. In fact, now that you have shared your intention of using the shares mechanic, you will be at very high risk of being specifically targeted. For that reason I highly suggest you keep all shares personally, and never, under any circumstance, give them away, unless you're stepping down from leadership.

Alternately, an investment-like scheme would be an excellent guise for you to initiate scams on others. Wary corp-joiners would be right in holding suspicious toward your system, as it requires trust and puts them at risk, moreso than other corp setups.

Little factoids like this are the reason I suggested in your prior thread to join an established corp to learn the ropes first. Then come back after some training time to form your own. You would find yourself much better able to avoid these sorts of hidden landmines.

Regarding your comment: "Experience is an empty word, there will be always more experienced CEO's than the less experienced ones."
You seem to be proposing that since predecessors have the experience edge, that it's therefore it's an un-bridgable gap that's not worth worrying about. This is very flawed logic, and wrong. But more importantly, your casual treatment of risks(as they are related to inexperience) does an extreme disservice to your potential corp-mates, who will rely on you, and will feel the impact when your mistakes are made. This does not need to happen.

By contrast, if you joined a pre-existing corp prior to starting your own, you could learn much about managing a corp, over a short period of time, and without exposing others to the risk of your inexperience. You would also be able to gain the benefit of analyzing other corps' iterative improvements to their systems, and copy them without the need of taking the time and risk of the iteration process yourself.

Finally, what you state is your main motivation to create a new corp is generally understood to be non-practical. Many have tried to buck that conclusion, but few find success. When you say a corp is "more than that," those following qualities are in fact typically the only reliable functionality of a corp, and it's primary purpose, rather than side-benefits.

It is possible that you might be the exception - You could devise and arrange a way to make it all come together and work in a new, useful fashion. Perhaps you might get very lucky in avoiding predators and other landmines. But I posit that you should seek to understand the ecosystem before diving in with such a lofty goal. Preferably in a way that is less likely potentially ruin other peoples' Eve experience.

How would a thief steal corp assets while non-director of that corp? If shares system is broken, why it is still running on the system? More concrete examples would be better.

Lets assume: CEO owns 50million shares of a corp. Lets say another 1million shares holding by directors or non-directors, even non-member of that corp. Where is the risk? I really can't see there. Of course stock dilution and voting system pose a risk for controlling the corp. This is why CEO's should be very careful to select corp's directors.

Now I understand this flame on me. The community not only protect me and my corp, it also protects the new players. The community wants to be sure if CEO's are very well equipped with the knowledge of the core mechanics of the game including much much more experience on combat and any other game mechanics. This is all understandable and I already aware that danger and I have an idea to solve these problems by hiring tutors for the corp first. Yes this is the most important part of my corp's plan. Futarchist Singularitists (FS) will hire one or two expert on every field we've planned to be active. Honestly, FS will be only active on one or two field. This is important. Because I see many corps active on almost every field which is almost impossible to succeed.

Anyway, I know my road contains many obstacles at first. But I trust my instincts which is clonned from my RL experiences will help me to overcome these problems hopefully. First things first: I need to hire a tutor for new members of the corp. What incentives can be given to the experts to work for the corp except ISK?

Empowerment is one of the things I deem absolutely necessary, and perhaps it's the most important incentive. When speaking in terms of multiplayer, industry might not be the best topic to look at. PVP and combat-oriented PVE (ratting, missions) are more suitable as a group activity. If you want to think multiplayer, think 'fleet' and not so much 'business'. Example: our Executive Directors get paid a monthly stipend of corp ISK to set up doctrine fleets for ops. Sorry, it is about ISK... not about sharing it per se, but deciding how it gets spent that is an incentive for people to stick around. See the good ideas pan out. That could work with more resources then just ISK but ISK is capacity for anything in raw form.

The latter is, as Solai points out, more or less a personal matter in which you actually will compete versus your corpmates in the same branch of industry. So think of PVE and industry as friendly competition and personal ISK sources. Empowering people to tap into those ISK faucets and enabling them to make use of corporate infrastructure without causing massive security holes: that is the incentive a corp has to offer it's members. Convienience. A feeling of safetly among blues. Implied stuff, not so much concrete profit like a job salary.

Apart from that there's camaraderie, which develops over time as people fleet up together and start trusting one another with more resposibilities, and be more giving with assets and ISK for causes that benefit your friends. Corps in eve are not like companies in the real world, so don't try to RP one and cut the Feng Shue managementspeak, people get enough of that at work.

Other incentives largely depend on the players you want to attract. For example, my corp doesn't do SRP but supplies doctrine ships for ops instead, and our FC's pay out ISK when teamwork nets us a shiny kill. If you want to 'share profits' why don't you make a corp folder and bookmark every Cosmic Signature? I bet you can scan out more then you can run yourself. In that regard everyone can contribute with effort and not so much raw ISK, which corps generate via other means that involve teamwork in a defensive or scouting manner, and off course taxed activities such as ratting. Set up the proper conditions to make ISK personally, instead of sharing stuff from a pool of generated effort. Profits the corp makes can be returned to players via ship replacement, infrastructure, and so on.

EDIT: Just for clarity, I'm CEO of a lowsec corp, we exist for almost 2 years. I have been through times when I wanted to give up, wondering if it's all worth it. Seeing other people succeed in favour of yourself has to be your main goal. It's a fine line between total dictatorship and friendly guidance. You will need patience, persistance, and most of all, friends.

Really, you have understanding how stuff works.

Okay, give me a proper shield based doctrine to fight someone with a fleet of 6 people.

You are in the game for less then 2 months, this means your knowledge about the game is south of 0.01%.
Do not lie about that, your members will just leave because they are lied to.



P.S. why would anybody want to join you as a tutor when they can do that without joining your corp, or by joining a corp that has much more too offer.




Really, you think that someone with the knowledge and ability (and is willing to be a) tutor is doing that for the ISK.
Most likely, they have enough already or a very very stable source of income that they don't need extra money.

Thus you have no incentives to have someone wanting to join you.