Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Make it even more simple for me. What are you see as "disembarkment"? Is going there from asteroid belt where you are ratting is disembarkation for you? Have you any solid proof that they will be angry, if, unlike that time, it would arrive with meaningfull and fun enough content? Or it (as always with your anti-WiS folk) is a simply wishfull speculations and all this hypothetical "angry playerbase" of yours represented mainly by some small but pretty vocal group of spaceship lovers on forums? Well, I've seen many ppl speaking contrary to them here, so this will hardly do as a proof. Do you have some surveys at your disposal which would back up your claims? It's a rethorical question, isn't it? You claim that you and all you know will be angry, I claim that I and anyone I know will be happy to spend time here (and it's a truth btw) - this discussion is pointless with such approach.

What if it will tempt them to? It won't give you ability to farm or train skills faster, it will just give you access to some unique, fun and either unaccessible content while doing so. You can go on and play the 10 years old "spacehsips in space" game if you want, your presense isn't needed so much.

And now it's just you opinion, you know. It can be easly done less clunky and anoying, if you remember it's all about a hologram now, anyway.

There are always plenty of ways, but being an orthodox (even just a spaceships orthodox) never helps to see others.

Welp, if you say so..

I do realize though that neither I, nor you can make a competent and argumented guess on what they can and can't pull, now or past 2 years.

Did I say somewhere it needn't? I called all WiS related stuff "complimentary", you know.

We probably won't know in foreseeable future. You should bear with that.

I've alredy tired to remind again and again that WiS itself wasn't even a significant part of what instilled that unrest. But anyway, remember me, how much was jita's local that day?

To be fair, you're partially right.

Incarna was the culmination of "just bear with us for 18 months ... we know spaceships stuff is stagnating and bad ... but what comes at the end of it will be awesome!"

it resulted with
- one (1) CQ.
- $80 Monocle
- Greed is Good
- $1000 pants devblog
- Melted GFX cards
- Very upset customers

CCP did a full 180, and literally threw together Crucible in half an expansion cycle. It's regarded by the playerbase as one of the better expansions that CCP has put out.


With that said -- the revamped NEX NES is pretty good ... and the stuff in it is cheap enough to actually garner some mild attention (although, as I cannot wear a dress without also wearing pants right now ... )

So, you want them to do something over again that almost killed the game. Just wanted to make sure I understood you.

If they actually bother to account for past errors, by the way, they won't touch it in the first place. Which, since that's what they're doing right now, I guess shows that they have learned something.

So, I have a question for you. It's not really disputable that the playerbase wants POS mechanics fixed, it's been an outcry since before Incarna was a glimmer in Hilmar's $400 pants.

Which should be worked on with higher priority? And then, the same question for drone mechanics, sovereignty, and server performance.

They've outright stated that the team working on it was disbanded.

My view on WIS is fairly simple. It might have been a good thing, if the game was designed around it from the beginning, or if it was implemented in such as way as to add gameplay.

I've played games which have WIS features. They are annoying after the first time or two. A feature is not worth adding, unless it actually accomplishes something. Most of the suggestions for WIS at the moment, don't. (Gambling aside.) Forcing people to take several extra minutes to accomplish simple tasks, that's not adding to gameplay, it's bloat.

The overall history of space games with meaningful WIS features... Well, it isn't good. I think they're better off trying to create separate games, which is what they appear to be doing.

Thats why forcing part of it should be minimized close to nill. And gambling alone already awesome enough, from my opinion, to give it a chance. You also forget about social meaning of the content. Many people can't wait to leave their ships and gather together not at boring gate camp, but at some cosy lobby with bunch of funny minigames, for a change. They could do this somewhere else, not in Eve, but that somewhat ruins ambient and breaks submergence to the game world. And others can't wait to buy some neat clothes/get some rare accessories and show it off. Those little things what make ties between people stronger, give them even more incentive to compete (like, unique accessries granted for specific achievements) in addition to figthing battles together.

The problem with separate games is they are not Eve. I personally hate mmo shooters which built around strafe battles and bunny hopping. Dust and (perhaps) Legion are probably the worst addition to the universe CCP could choose. Some ARMA-like shooter with strong empasis on planning, tactics, cover and position choosing/capturing would be much more logical addition, as it what Eve is all about - hard and quick choices, planning and accepting dire consequencies of not doing so well enough. Not about mindlessly dashing ahead striking LMB fiercely.

This issue is actually easily solvable, but tied to a generation change.

I still believe it's a matter of good content it should come with. It could made so they wouldn't need to go too far to get what they want and agreagate them all in several adjacent rooms. And moving from spot to spot, taking into account "holohrapich approach" won't be inconvinient and will happend in a blink of an eye. Some neat features like interactive tables you can gather around or join some company here, which are mechanically a separate voice chat room you enter upon "taking a seat"; those tables can provide any possible minigame the station has, so people won't get dispersed around too much, until someone really want to be alone. Some [virtual] arena(s) at the middle of a room where anyone can duel some AI foe or another player (taking advantage of enchanicg bidding options, so duels for corporate position with loser losing some significant number of sp or even life of a character are possible and no third party needed), for others to watch and bid. Such little tweaks could make it lively place, at least in some closed communities of nulls and lows.