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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-06-11 09:24:44 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Remove any reason anyone has for ever actually using a carrier, and instead push them into t2 versions?

What possible good could come of that?


that line of thinking would suggest all T1 ships are useless and we have no reason too fly them ... do you actually believe that???



If I'm reading your idea right, you're removing reps and drones from carriers and leaving them with nothing but fighters.

Fighters are pretty much useless. People use carriers to rep things or with regular drones for the most part. By removing reps and drones, you remove what most carriers seem to be used for.

It's not about all T1 ships being useless, it's about turning carriers into nothing but a ship for deploying mediocre low EHP high sig drones making carriers useless.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#22 - 2014-06-11 11:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Danika Princip wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Remove any reason anyone has for ever actually using a carrier, and instead push them into t2 versions?

What possible good could come of that?


that line of thinking would suggest all T1 ships are useless and we have no reason too fly them ... do you actually believe that???



If I'm reading your idea right, you're removing reps and drones from carriers and leaving them with nothing but fighters.

Fighters are pretty much useless. People use carriers to rep things or with regular drones for the most part. By removing reps and drones, you remove what most carriers seem to be used for.

It's not about all T1 ships being useless, it's about turning carriers into nothing but a ship for deploying mediocre low EHP high sig drones making carriers useless.


well with the recent changes fighters aren't so bad anymore, much more customizable .. there still better than heavy drones.. .. they would be a upgrade from heavy drone domis in essence.. anyway the bonus they get are for repping range only .. so it wouldn't remove any repping ability as such..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#23 - 2014-06-11 15:15:33 UTC
a command carrier would gain a warfare link strength bonus like command ships do .. so there would be a plus side ..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Elusive Panda
Void Covenant
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-06-11 16:25:43 UTC
T1 are generalist, T2 are specialist.

I'm not against T2 capitals, but current caps shoudn't lose anything. Instead the T2 should pick one thing and do it very, very well.

Of course, we'll have to wait until the capital rebalance has happened before even considering that.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#25 - 2014-06-12 14:52:58 UTC
Elusive Panda wrote:
T1 are generalist, T2 are specialist.

I'm not against T2 capitals, but current caps shoudn't lose anything. Instead the T2 should pick one thing and do it very, very well.

Of course, we'll have to wait until the capital rebalance has happened before even considering that.


mm.. well i wanted too throw it out there before they did the capital rebalance

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-06-12 16:41:03 UTC
Harvey James wrote:


well with the recent changes fighters aren't so bad anymore, much more customizable .. there still better than heavy drones.. .. they would be a upgrade from heavy drone domis in essence.. anyway the bonus they get are for repping range only .. so it wouldn't remove any repping ability as such..



Fighters are also 20 mil a pop, have low EHP, huge sig and awful AI. I'll admit, I haven't used mine since the change. Then again, I've used my fighters maybe once in the past couple of years. There's a reason why people don't use fighters as a doctrine.

And removing the range bonus for capital rep mods makes it impossible to rep a large pos...
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#27 - 2014-06-12 18:51:34 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Harvey James wrote:


well with the recent changes fighters aren't so bad anymore, much more customizable .. there still better than heavy drones.. .. they would be a upgrade from heavy drone domis in essence.. anyway the bonus they get are for repping range only .. so it wouldn't remove any repping ability as such..



Fighters are also 20 mil a pop, have low EHP, huge sig and awful AI. I'll admit, I haven't used mine since the change. Then again, I've used my fighters maybe once in the past couple of years. There's a reason why people don't use fighters as a doctrine.

And removing the range bonus for capital rep mods makes it impossible to rep a large pos...


is that a bad thing?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-06-12 18:53:59 UTC
Is making carriers useless a bad thing?

Yes, yes it is.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-06-12 20:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
Its a quirk unique to EVE that a carrier starship is mostly used for something that carriers traditionally have nothing to do with - logistics.

Which of course also brings up another quirk unique to EVE, which is that logistics is used to refer to repairing a ship when traditionally the word means distribution of supplies, labor, or expertise to accomplish a task.

Does anybody care? I dunno. Anyway, carriers are fine, and I dont think EVE is ready for T2 carriers
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#30 - 2014-06-13 22:31:55 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Is making carriers useless a bad thing?

Yes, yes it is.


it would hardly do that

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-06-13 22:45:04 UTC
I can just imagine the tears that would result if capitals and supers got nerfed into oblivion. I am not sure which would be the greater benefit of such a change, the shakeup in the meta or all the resulting forum porn.
killer persian
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#32 - 2014-06-14 01:42:21 UTC
wow rude people much, how about adding t2 capital ships and leave the ones that are there alone?
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