EVE General Discussion

Look at the bolded part.

Imagine that a woman said to you "I married you not because I loved YOU, but because i loved the idea of getting married and all my friends were doing it".

You made a mistake, you chose to play a game not because of that game, but because of your affinity for the game's general setting. Then, when you found out that you don't actually like the game (it seems to me you'd be much happier in a themepark type game where the developers deliver content, like how the Star Trek Online DEVs produce 'episodes' for their game all the time) you chose to stay and ask for changes that actual EVE fans wouldn't like rather than taking it upon yourself to go find the right game for you.

That's why these conflicts always arise on these forums (and all game forums too). Hell, in real life too. I went to college with a guy who could quote Das Kapital verbatim and who can speak Spanish, but rather than move to Cuba and be happy he thinks some revolution no one but him wants should happen where we were lol.

Want to know what's really funny about old boy from college though? Today he's an investment banker.......ie he learned to love that which he proffessed to hate. Your realistic options are learn to love EVE as it is, or find something else that you enjoy.



Like Ramona said, we can accept that some people don't like the game. What is unacceptable is the idea that the game needs to change (or in the words of the unhappy people, "expand") to make the people who don't like it happy (which would screw over those of us who DO like it). We found a game we like and we don't think it's too much to expect others to do the same. Most people actually do which is why so many people quit EVE during the trial period.

Hypocrite. GTFO!

New space isn't so much 'content' as 'more sand'.

And Ramona is speaking in General terms. none of us are for GOOD, appropriate, EVE-like growth (ie more sand box, more sand box tools ect). But all change isn't good change and what most of you dissatisfied "I need new content" types are asking for are things that go against what makes EVE great for those of us suited for a game like EVE.



That's the same as saying "well, i don't like my wife, but we have kids, a mortgage, and if I leave she gets half my stuff including my future pension , so I'll stay and be miserable".

It's nonsense thinking. if you don't like what EVE is at it's core (a light on content social sandbox), continuing to play is an act of masochism.

Accepted. And I apologise for digressing

My point is, that the game is not stagnating. Between code being fixed, and new content added by Devs and players, the game has even more possibilities than ever before.

I agree there are issues, no game is perfect, but why uproot the moneytree just as it starts blossoming again simply because its not a juniper bush?

Dude I think you should see someone about that memory loss

Anyway, i'll agree to stop the pointless arguing if you do.

So in the interest of having a civil debate do you have evidence (e.g. server stats) to backup this statement:


Stagnating definition: cease developing; become inactive or dull.

No, you just have a different point of view on some things

Some of those points I agree with 100%

Some are (allegedly) going to be improved or fixed in the near future

and some, (such as Sov) I reserve the right to disagree with because I happen to have a different perspective on the matter

Its all cool.

Again, I accept that people can read the tealeaves differently, thats the perogative of people who use a discussion thread after all :)

But given the recent updates, Im just not sure how the signs point to bad.

Wasn't the game perfectly enjoyable (enought to sub to) when there were less people playing 3, 4 or 5 years ago?

The game is a slow burner, and I accept that there will always be doomsayers (hell, if everyone was partying over how awesome it was Id be the FIRST to complain lol), but compared to a year ago, I feel much more optimistic about the content of the game and how its currently progressing.

I dont mind meeting back here in a year and admitting I was wrong if it truns out you, me, sol, jenn and james315 are the only remaing inhabitants lol

For me it is not so much the recent updates, its more the guys who left before the lay off's, those who were laid off, the fact they are still working on 4 projects - Eve, Legion, Valkyrie, Dust but with now a lot less staff.

I guess it was when Jon Lander left when I started to feel that Eve might be in trouble. Here was guy who was instrumental in saving Eve and CCP Ass, then he was moved to the mobile games division which as far as I am aware nothing has ever come from that department and then he leaves. It was like, wtf is going on over there.

Whilst I might have faith in the devs that are still there, I have no faith at all in CCP Top Level Management. They still seem to be having delusions of grandeur.

Sure develop another game other then Eve, but not so many and all at once, your not Blizzard or EA. You do not have the resources to develop that many games at the same time and this has already been show with both WoD and Dust.