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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#81 - 2014-06-12 14:03:28 UTC
Well, I just finished a 20 jump trek through high-sec and came back with estimated 18mil ISK in loot (Amarr prices). ****** ISK/h but it's more interesting than staring at a rock. Also I can confirm that sometimes cans are empty.

I say adding puzzles and paper trails to exploration would greatly benefit it as well as a greater differentiation between hacking and archaeology.

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Deka Pacht-Feng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-06-12 14:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Deka Pacht-Feng
From a relatively new players perspective (40days old, 2m SP). I think the data/relic sites are fine as is. I was a little worried about possible loot nerf due to lootspew being removed. However since release I haven't had much terrible luck with sites. Sure there have been a few lack-luster cans here and there (fight to hack only to see no loot or a carbon), but in all it's not terrible.

Then again, I don't really have a good gauge on what "decent" ISK is yet. This is what I pulled in last Friday night in Null solo-roaming. I don't have a null-sec corp either so I was targeted a few times and had to log overnight to return to safety in the morning. Was my first trip to Null for sites since update as well.

https://i.imgur.com/mjhpPwS.png

What made it really over-the-top for me was the Medium MJD blueprint was a 50-run.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-06-12 15:39:50 UTC
Prof Anarchia wrote:


So, the lesson is to accept Eve for what it is. Do not make suggestions. Keep your mouth shut. Leave discussion to those who have been playing for x number of years and whose sole enjoyment is to "vaporise" fellow players. There's a book out there - haven't read it - titled, The Psychopath Test. Go give it a whirl.

Goodbye forums


That's it, let the butthurt flow through you.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#84 - 2014-06-12 15:46:42 UTC
Prof Anarchia wrote:
There's a book out there - haven't read it - titled, The Psychopath Test. Go give it a whirl.

Goodbye (cruel) forums


Or, if you can't be bothered, do this easy test

I got 87%

I was disappoint

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#85 - 2014-06-12 15:50:00 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prof Anarchia wrote:
There's a book out there - haven't read it - titled, The Psychopath Test. Go give it a whirl.

Goodbye (cruel) forums


Or, if you can't be bothered, do this easy test

I got 87%

I was disappoint

Fun fact: All those tests are about as accurate as horoscopes.

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Prof Anarchia
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-06-12 16:31:57 UTC
just did that test. Scored 30%.
Prof Anarchia
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-06-12 16:36:18 UTC
"You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily."

yup, sounds about right. Apart from the "people person". I agree with satre that Hell is other people...or Hell is other capsuleers.

Maybe CCP should run similar tests before people sign up to the game :)
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#88 - 2014-06-12 16:47:59 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Prof Anarchia wrote:
or dispense with it altogther.

I second that Smile
Prof Anarchia wrote:
When I first subscribed a few months ago hacking was my chosen profession.

It was the main thing I did in this game for a few years, the thing that finally hooked me to this game. But since the changes, adding the mini-game, the hacking rigs etc, removing the rats to fight, it became crud and very un-EVE like. How I miss the pre-odyssey days. There were no complaints, it worked fine, and nothing about complaining over loot as all it has become now. sad-sad.


Yes, I miss the pirates, they could add them back for me, but with slight modification. They could warp in after first unsuccesful hacking, that would add more heat to the hacking minigame.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#89 - 2014-06-12 17:17:08 UTC
I scored 55% on Ramona's test Lol

"Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life."

Sounds like great advice for Eve Online disregarding it's all coming from a pseudo-scientific entertainment application. Big smile
Moth Eisig
#90 - 2014-06-12 17:42:32 UTC
Prof Anarchia wrote:
Dilligafmofo wrote:
Exploration isn't the only option available to you. Try ratting or plexing. If this isn't do-able with you skill points, return to empire and eek out a living with the other newbies.



thanks for the tip. However, why should I be forced into another profession when I was sold on the idea of hacking from day 1? Plus, I have alts that do other things.



You're being forced into another profession how? You said yourself that relic sites still offer considerable rewards. Plexing an account doing null sec relics only takes a few evenings of play, so if you're being forced into another profession because you refuse to skip data sites, you have only yourself to blame.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#91 - 2014-06-12 21:14:45 UTC
Psychopathic people are the readers of financial times. Why would someone think different?

Well, I am 18 %.

But why would somone not lie in such a test?

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#92 - 2014-06-12 21:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
I Love Boobies wrote:

They should also make exploration site containers non-scannable so people cannot take only the good stuff, and leave the junk for everyone else. Also find that annoying, take the time to find a site, get there, and see someone has already looted the good stuff.

I would be so happy over this. I enjoy doing exploration, and I'm more than willing to wade out the influx storm, but coming across a site and finding that several cans are empty is a real mood-killer. I never used take a cargo scanner because I would just do all the cans, but I've actually started to bring one now because I'm tired of hacking cans that are already hacked (seriously, CCP, why not make the mod fail with a line saying why instead of doing them a second time?)

(Note that, if they aren't "unlockable" a second time, then the frequency of empty cans needs to be seriously decreased.)

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#93 - 2014-06-14 02:15:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solkara Starlock wrote:
Why are so many empty containers?


No container spawns empty

But cherrypicking asses who think of no one but themselves just take the good stuff and leave crap, meanign the site doesnt respawn and gives the false impression of worthless sites, which in turn are useless for me to camp.

Some explorers are more selfish than Isboxers, sometimes


I tend the sites like a loving gardener. I blow up the containers that only have crap so that the site will hopefully respawn with better stuff later. The crummy data sites just led me to dump my data analyzer and fit a point.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2014-06-14 03:11:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solkara Starlock wrote:
Why are so many empty containers?


No container spawns empty

But cherrypicking asses who think of no one but themselves just take the good stuff and leave crap, meanign the site doesnt respawn and gives the false impression of worthless sites, which in turn are useless for me to camp.

Some explorers are more selfish than Isboxers, sometimes


My ears are burning!
Need more data on this to tell if rewards have dropped off. I've been doing explo since 2009 and what stays the same is runs of good and bad luck. You get a month where you cash out, one where you starve.

It is true that crowds more are doing the sites, it has been dumbed down to the floor.



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NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-06-14 22:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH
Abrazzar wrote:
How many data sites did you do? What's the average of that amount? Is it a even representative amount? Have you ever considered you may be suffering from entitlement issues? Questions, questions.

Accusing someone of that because he's concerned about the payouts for exploration which have notoriously bad payouts...

Yes you are correct, it is in fact him who has issues. Roll
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#96 - 2014-06-14 23:29:35 UTC
BTW I accept that empty containers do apparently spawn now

Previous statement retracted

Until next time, Gadget



Next time

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Samantha Calderon
Heavenly Forge
#97 - 2014-06-14 23:47:01 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solkara Starlock wrote:
Why are so many empty containers?


No container spawns empty

But cherrypicking asses who think of no one but themselves just take the good stuff and leave crap, meanign the site doesnt respawn and gives the false impression of worthless sites, which in turn are useless for me to camp.

Some explorers are more selfish than Isboxers, sometimes


I tend the sites like a loving gardener. I blow up the containers that only have crap so that the site will hopefully respawn with better stuff later. The crummy data sites just led me to dump my data analyzer and fit a point.



Glad to see other like me.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-06-15 02:46:37 UTC
I still make more money running exploration than mining, and with loot spew gone it's less of a headache.

I guess I'd like to see some improvements to the scanning interface. It can get especially difficult to scan stuff down when a system has a ton of signatures.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#99 - 2014-06-15 03:32:43 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:

I guess I'd like to see some improvements to the scanning interface. It can get especially difficult to scan stuff down when a system has a ton of signatures.


Believe it or not, this is the improved system. Shocked
Gerard Naari
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-06-15 09:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerard Naari
NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:
exploration which have notoriously bad payouts...



All you need is a covert op with medicore skill and almost zero risk.
I say they got payout they deserve.

And dont call it exploration , exploration was killed with exploration expansion .....