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Undo FW station docking rights in opposing systems

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-12 13:28:05 UTC
Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.

logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.

Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.

yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2014-06-12 13:34:43 UTC
It makes every difference in FW - in my theater.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#3 - 2014-06-12 13:39:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
docking rights are the only reason why i am in FW. Its also the only aspect what brings meaning to sov.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-06-12 13:43:18 UTC
Alright honey show me on the solar system doll where the ihub was bashed?

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Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-06-12 13:54:26 UTC
Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.

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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#6 - 2014-06-12 14:16:41 UTC
Nick Starkey wrote:
Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.


Yeah, you know, unless you want to control the system and not go through the hell of living out of a POS.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#7 - 2014-06-12 14:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Nick Starkey wrote:
Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.



This except I would say its a bigger inconvenience.

Docking rights add an inconvenience to participating in fw. That is all it is.

You want to pvp? Well you have to travel several jumps to get to then enemy and several more back if you need to reship or even repair.

You want to base in a fw system? You have to get an alt account to sit in an empty frigate (save the stabs) and dplex..

Plus this:
ShahFluffers wrote:


Personally? I would just like to see docking restrictions lifted. Yes, from a lore/RP point-of-view it makes sense. Yes, it also does make some groups work together more closely than they would like.
But it also prevents people from spreading out within the warzone because no one group can stay online all the time to keep their system from being farmed to vulnerable and captured.
This in turn creates "bunker" systems that are nigh impregnable while everything else remains more or less undefended... or groups live just outside the warzone to avoid the lockouts altogether... or people just leave FW and become full pirates because well, having where you can and cannot dock because some people did more PvE than you leaves a bad taste in your mouth and is not the reason you joined the militia in the first place.

It is like 0.0 SOV being decided by how much ratting, anomalies, and mining your alliance does over the others... with ship on ship combat being completely unnecessary or even being discouraged (because you are not ratting, running anomalies, or mining to keep SOV).



Really I still don't see how it makes sense that my own militia won't let me dock in its stations, but whatever.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-12 14:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
well if you wanted to pvp you could just pirate everyone anyway, its not like nuets are locked out of plexes.

pvping in fw is suffering and this is one of the things thats putting people off. Yeah i know station games happen but not even every station every day all the time etc.

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Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-12 14:28:15 UTC
Nick Starkey wrote:
Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.

Aside from, you know, staging systems and chokepoint systems and mission systems...

Losing docking rights has a huge impact on how things in the warzone flow. Keep it.

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-06-12 14:34:13 UTC
Definately keep it. We have finally some kind of a frontline in FW now. Sure, if you lose your staging system your stuff isn´t lost as you can contract it to an alt and get it back but you ost your staging system! You have to stage from somewhere else!

That IS a big deal. Keep it.

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-12 14:35:13 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.

logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.

Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.

yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?


It is a huge conflict driver and is the main reason people fight tooth and nail over plexes. Without it, there is no reason to take a fight in a plex that you wouldn't otherwise take. Unlike 0.0, if you get locked out of station it is trivial to get your assets out.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-06-12 15:00:02 UTC
Alts and black frog can move anything anyway, its simply inconvenience hindering battles and plexing not making it more diverse.

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#13 - 2014-06-12 15:10:09 UTC
muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.

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Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-06-12 15:10:19 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Alts and black frog can move anything anyway, its simply inconvenience hindering battles and plexing not making it more diverse.

As with many FW issues, you folks on the Amarr / Minmatar front have a different view than us on the Gal/Cal front. In short, you're doing it wrong, and should feel bad.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-12 15:16:57 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.

OI

I defensive plex not like you wallet lining offensive farming stabbed winged monkeys do for the cash!

u disgust me!

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#16 - 2014-06-12 15:24:11 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.

OI

I defensive plex not like you wallet lining offensive farming stabbed winged monkeys do for the cash!

u disgust me!

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-12 15:27:52 UTC
We are hardcore stabbed alt plexers. No really we are.

Ask Ushra Khan, they will confirm it.

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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#18 - 2014-06-12 15:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Templar Dane
Muad 'dib wrote:
Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.

logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.

Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.

yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?


I guess you've never camped a station the morning after flipping a home system.

Good times.

Also, you get none of that "no thanks we don't want to fight you. we'll just deplex when you leave system"

At least once the system starts getting up there.......
Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-06-12 15:32:27 UTC
Part of the point of the docking mechanic is so that if the opposing militia come to camp you into a station in your militia's system, they can't dock up and you can.. it adds some safety to your systems, and also a small advantage to taking fights in your systems
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#20 - 2014-06-12 18:55:52 UTC
Sounds like someone bought something in a system without first checking who held sov there.
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