EVE General Discussion

There was quality to the posting here to begin with? It's either been people sympathizing with the OP or people simplying exercising a Neanderthal mindset and insisting that EVE is fine the way it is while making fun of his less than concise thought processes, "everyone +1 my comment because I'm like so super edgy and hardcore and you're so super stupid lol."

While how the OP presented his point left me cringing for a while, I think what he is trying to highlight is that some aspects in the game need some more depth and immersion. Mining is the best example because its as simple as targetting a rock and then pewing it for hours on end for a meager payout that doesn't justify the time wasted. In my mind at least, mining could benefit from a minigame like hacking in data and relic sites has (or something like how you mine in Galaxy on Fire 2 for mobile OS). Some people like that minigame, some don't, but at least it gives you something to do where currently besides hoping you can run away from Catalysts (who are taking advantage of a long broken system) there is absolutely no reason to stay at the keyboard.

Other game aspects that could use some love are missions and wormhole Sleeper content. Missions have been gamed out for years and are rather shallow when it comes to immersion in the storyline. Sleeper content has been that stinger at the end of the movie credits that hasn't been played out, and I would sorely like to see more about the legacy of those who made the Sleepers as aell as the Talocan. Sansha's Incursions? I love the concept and it seems the difficulty of the AI is there, but I wish they had a discernable game-wide effect. Maybe you could fight Sansha's True Slaves in Legion? Just a few thoughts.

The whole point of mining is to give people an activity they can do,
while not actually having to be there.

If you weed through a history of changes,
CCP only changed those afk-able activities, (e.g. afk drone dominix)
that made no sense to be afk-able in the first place.

There is actually a way to improve PvE, but they wouldn't like it.

One just has to look at the general PvE masses to fix the whole issue.


- Procedurally generated missions with unpredictable triggers and damage types.
- Inability to blitz missions. Instead, all rats always need to be destroyed.
- Add random elements to missions, like for example a 20% chance of a surprise npc fleet entering the mission,
whipping the floor with the mission runners ass if he's not smart enough to deal with it.


The whole issue with PvE has nothing to do with CCP,
but with people who want it too easy. And it IS too easy.

The PvE playerbase would be cut in HALF at LEAST
if it wasn't this damn easy for these people to get their fake satisfaction to inflate their worthless egos.

And then, hopefully, proper players join who don't mind actually having to put effort into things.

They could spend a few months to design a procedural system for missions, like a random dungeon generator. So you will only get a general gist and maybe a threat level estimation from the mission description while the exact configuration is unknown and prone to offer a surprise or two.

And while they're at it, they could condense mission rats to be more in line with the ships players are using, albeit at a lowish skill level. And adapt them to the changes of pirate factions. And have them spawn drones when in aggression range. Make it less predictable and imitate player behaviour more.

If they made PvE gameplay something people actually have to think about, the howling from the PvE players would throw the earth off it's axis.

Don't hold back, man, tell us how you feel

Well EVE is a niche game and the future of EVE is to remain a niche game. The question being is how many leave compared with how many start and stay.

There was another thread about player retention suggesting the majority of new players leave within the first 2 months. How true that is I can't say as I've not seen any figures for it. But I can understand why that maybe the case, essentially they get bored due to being limited to what they can actually do in-game with the limited trained skills they have. Of course there are people that like the long skill tree and the fact it takes months/years to actually be able to do something that you want to do. Although I think that would be a minority of MMO players.

EVE is a sandbox and being a sandbox you have to set your own goals, if you don't then you have no real direction leading to boredom, ship spinning, logging in to change skills and ultimately leaving the game. Throwing new content into the mix will not change that, well at least not for long.

Not everyone wants to play alts and how often do we hear people saying they need alts to raise the capital in order for them to be able to PvP. Now there's a good reason for some players to not want to PvP because quite frankly they perceive it as something that they can't afford to do. If you want more people to PvP then it needs to be affordable without the need for alts.

New content or bug fixing/balancing? I'd say both are equally important, although with new content it needs to be well thought out and not just something to try and keep people. Content like new ships are good especially as some of the old ones were not great designs, but a lot of those will be unplayable to new people for sometime to come. Personally I actually like some of the newer designs. As for bugs and rebalances (if game breaking) that's something that should be done as the corrective action is developed and not leave it to add as part of an expansion.

I could go on but I'll just finish pretty much as I started.

EVE is a niche game and unless the game design is going to change drastically and upset the niche market it has then it'll always be a niche game. So the future is probably a slightly lower population as more MMOs are released, but I don't think there's any easy answer and probably why CCP doesn't want to rock the boat too much.




Edit: Hmm, a dev post has been added, I better take a look.

I see a lot of words here but fail to see your point. You disregarded the entire sentiment of quinns post and instead criticized his spelling... Do you really think that helps your argument?

Nobody is saying that fixes do don't improve the game but some people feel fixes without any real content makes for a boring game. I you feet otherwise, please explain your views more clearly instead of talking nonsense and insulting people.

Given how I have personally introduced five new players (and more than that in accounts) in the last 9 months and none have left,
I don't know what the OP is doing wrong if he's seeing people leave

Oh wait I do

Its the defeatest attitude of people who are never satisfied

Mining ships are the buffed they've ever been and indy is getting a massive buff soon

Tech 1 ships as a whole (you know, apparently for "new players") got a huge boost recently to keep them competitive against highly specialised T2 variants

What more do you want?

Yeah..

Future of Eve

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