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the future of eve

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-06-11 22:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:


All of our subscription money shouldn't be going towards fixing broken stuff, as that is what CCP should be doing as part of their quality control system.


It's the same with you. You're leaving out the massive backlash over Incarna, followed by the massive player return that occurred when CCP started fixing stuff. You're also leaving out the small, annoying little factoid that subs are still rising. They could be new players, or they could be old ones creating alts - either way, someone likes the game enough to throw more money at it. When you've explained that little anomalous gap in your research, then maybe you'll be on to something.


Yeah i was around for incarna and it sounds like i have a better grasp on the situation than you. The outrage surrounding incarna came from CCPs failure to deliver what was promised while at the same time, leaving broken parts of the game untended to.

If CCP delivered what they told everyone they were working on for the past few years, the the summer of rage would have never happened. Unfortunately after years of developement all we got was one room and some £50 pants so it is no wonder people quit.

Seriously, go and do your own reaserch because I'm to here to prove anything to you. There was a recent article on one of the news sites that indicated that patches without content have trouble keeping new players.

If you love the game already and the slight improvements are improving your experience, i'm very happy for you. I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#42 - 2014-06-11 22:52:30 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.


Ever tried something besides PvE? That'd be my recommendation.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-06-11 22:55:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Fixing old content and reballancing ships is like removeing potholes from a road. The jorney is improved and more people might use the road but the destenation is still the same. Fixes and changes are not new content, new content would be adding a new road that leads to a new destination.

Jesus features attrack new people and keep the game feeling fresh and exciting. PI and Incursions are the most recent examples of jesus features that add new content for many people in eve.



The industrial rebalance in six weeks will add more content that those two expansions combined.


No it won't. It will improve existing cotent.


There is right now zero industry in null aside from the building of supercaps.

Every null power is in the process of a total restructuring of their space to create industrial hubs to supply their own forces. The undertaking is massive and will result is sweeping changes across the entire game that will impact everyone. This change is going to provide a massive amount of content to a much bigger number of players.


Okay, you explained what you meant more clearly here and i agree with you. Fingers crossed that the industrial patch will bring about those sort of changes.

I have an industry alt and if these changes improve the industry game a lot, it might keep me from quitting.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-06-11 22:59:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.


Ever tried something besides PvE? That'd be my recommendation.


Ever tried not being an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

I have experienced everything in eve barring incursions so don't try and lable me a carebear to support your weak arguments.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#45 - 2014-06-11 23:27:21 UTC
Did not read all the replies, and some that I glanced at were a tad annoying... but I digress.

To the op:

So let me see if I understand you correctly... you are complaining, because they are fixing issues and old features, but instead you want them to add new features...

Let me give you a brief history lesson. As a 10 year straight vet, who has been here since nearly the start, I am some insite.

This was EVE:

"Hey guys, this new expantion, we are calling Exodus, we are letting you form alliances, and giving you star bases so you can claim 0.0. We are also bringing dreads to shoot the star bases. You will be able to claim sov. In addition, we are brining in new mining barges, and then comet mining, oh! and system wide asteroid belts to accomidate, as we would like to add other things but we will see"

a few weeks late " Unfortunatly guys we have to cu comet mining, not enough time to do it right, but we will look at it soon(tm)"

a few more weeks "Unfortunatly we have to cut system wide belts, the servers will melt, but in the future we will do it"

two weeks before release "Unforunatly the dread has ben changed, some of the stuf we said it could do, yea we cant"

one week before "oh man we need to move this feature of alliances to another expantion, sorry guys we will work on"

months after relase "oh we know pos bashing is annoying, yea we will have to think of something a bit later"

A few years later: "Guys we are making this new game called dust, in order to accomidate all the stuff we want with dust we are giving you this new expantion that has to do with interacting with planets, you will use the dust mercs to conquer other players stuff, and what they are shoot is stuff you guys placed. This will also tie into sov and change things up it will be great!"

few weeks before launch "oh no we scrapped all that, here is the new pi, we will look at it soon"

a few years later "Oh yea we are changing sov, you need these new devices, and then they will be dynamic so we can add more stuff later, and this will help us revamp the pos system, its going to be awesome when all is done, this is just the first step! We also are changing contracts and giving you treaties!"

few weeks before launch "Treaties are out, we will tackle them next time, and the other sov stuff will come later we have to try tthis first"

The point is, CCP would make a feature, not have the time to finish what they want, so they would give us the bare min, then leave it and move on to something else.

So in essence what you are saying is 'Yea eve is stagnating because ccp is FINALLY fixing things that have been broken for years, but screw that, I want more broken new stuff that will drive me nuts in a few months, then more broken new stuff on top of that!"

The future of eve, looks damn good. If they fix the old and broken, then they an make way for new stuff, that is actually fully done and fully working. That's a big if though. But you are esentually a noobin who has no idea what your talking about.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#46 - 2014-06-11 23:37:32 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.


Ever tried something besides PvE? That'd be my recommendation.


Ever tried not being an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

I have experienced everything in eve barring incursions so don't try and lable me a carebear to support your weak arguments.


So you have ran a corp? an alliance? invented? salavaged? mine? built? market traded? scammed? recruited? stolen moon goo with siphones? rand 30 pos' single handedly while avoding gate camps with your hauler full of fuel? pirated? anti pirated? solo pvp? fleet pvp? fleet commanded? pos bashed? explorded everything? factional war fare? PI? rand a lottery? ran a bank? ran a pawn shop? stolen ships? forced ransoms? dome mercenary work? spied? back stabbed your friends? stolen all yoru corps asstest after years of gaining trust?

I highly doubt you have done everything. As eve is a sandbox there is no 'everything' New content is being added, we just got a while new set of ships to fly that change the dynamic, as well as new spawns in low sec that have made hunting in low sec enjoyable.

You don't just look at your house and go 'you know what? my foundation is broken, i'm gonna add another floor!" That's illogical and stupid. And it makes you actually look like a noobin fool

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#47 - 2014-06-11 23:50:02 UTC
For CCP to introduce new content they need a solid base to build it upon.

That solid base is what they are currently building by fixing all of the stuff that they've left broken or unfinished because somebody thought that Jesus features, that like everything else are left unfinished or broken, were a good idea.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#48 - 2014-06-11 23:51:24 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.


Ever tried something besides PvE? That'd be my recommendation.


Ever tried not being an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

I have experienced everything in eve barring incursions so don't try and lable me a carebear to support your weak arguments.


Firstly, I highly doubt your claim.

Secondly, "carebear" is not about what you do. It's a mindset, it's an attitude.

And begging for "more content" fits that attitude nicely.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-06-12 00:22:23 UTC
How funny is the boring stuff? Pirate character now, not as someone or something support. Want to explore the ship is said to keep all accessories. He said to keep all accessories ship to explore.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Solecist Project
#50 - 2014-06-12 00:25:28 UTC
... is bright!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project
#51 - 2014-06-12 00:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
For someone who claims he has experienced everything ...

... I wonder why nobody knows you then.


Because in EVE, you can experience fame too.



Got anything else to say?`



Hey and how many alts does this guy actually use?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#52 - 2014-06-12 00:35:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"carebear" is not about what you do. It's a mindset, it's an attitude.


A thousand and one times this.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#53 - 2014-06-12 00:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
So...

TL:DR the entire thread;

The people who enjoy the game vs those who hate it and are "unsubbing" until it "picks up"

Yeah well

Go on

Do it

I double dog dare you

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#54 - 2014-06-12 01:05:30 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
EVE is very much like SNL. Keeps getting renewed long after its prime...just because.


I think I need to wash my eyes after reading that :D

SNL was only ever bad... except for... the 70s/80s hehe
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#55 - 2014-06-12 02:27:27 UTC
In my opinion, EVE is a game where is it is not the responsibility of the developers to create content, but it is on the players to make the game fun for themselves.

There is a world of fun content out there.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#56 - 2014-06-12 03:07:23 UTC
In EvE Online;

CONTENT create DEVELOPER!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#57 - 2014-06-12 03:46:49 UTC
The only thing stagnating here is the quality of postings about EVE stagnating.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-06-12 10:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you think that the game will do better in the long run by fixing old content rather than adding new stuff that's your opinion but i would hope that the eve community is mature/intelligent enough to realise the benefits of new content for both old and new players.

Personally i want to see a mix of both which is kind of what we are getting now. Unfortunately, CCP seems to be continuing the trend of implementing poorly designed new content (e.g. some of the mobile deployables and the Nestor), which leads me to the assumption that this cycle of fixing broken content and balancing ships will never end.

For those of you that believe fixes alone are the answer to all the problems, please take a look at the following information. Server numbers are steadily declining and they are almost as low as they were during the summer of rage. The highest they have ever been was between the incursion and incarna releases, so make of that what you will...
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

For those not interested the in facts, i'm sorry for interrupting your trolling. Straight
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-06-12 10:32:17 UTC
kirean3464 wrote:
Inserted some punctuation to enhance readability. ISD Ezwal.

That one is new. Shocked

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-06-12 10:38:43 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
PvE content is not dynamic, as it's driven by pieces of code.
Players generate PvP content, and that content is unpredictable and challenging.

Why players don't generate PvE content?
That would be a paradoxon I believe. Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.