EVE General Discussion

I find the trolling of this legitimate thread untoward and I think the trolls should either give up posting here or put your money where your mouth is and come to fight us. Here are a few points about this thread that I feel you trolls need to know;

- this is a thread about a group of corps alliances, and solo players attempting to populate an NPC area of null-sec and create an economy.

- Grow up and accept Hub-Zero is here to stay

- The kind folk at CCP have deemed this thread part of the general discussion about Eve, this is not a recruitment thread. If you have a problem with this feel free to file a petition that will be action-ed by a moderator who will subsequently give you an answer.

- This thread relates to an epic sci-fi struggle to populate an area of space in a computer generated universe, please try to remember that this is a game and not real life.

- You won't have any effect on the people who are serious about Hub Zero,

Brutalbutfair, move on dude. You'll never get a response from me from this point forward.

Kind Regards,

Aaron

I picked a bad week to lose internet at home.

(replacement 4G device ordered and OTW)

Why, it was a genuine question.

Good reply, you have my respect for that and made me regret being a bit brutal in my earlier reply.

Hey,

We had a PVP op yesterday which was a success, we managed to take out an expensive stratios.

We decided to keep it cheap and we all fitted up cruisers, there were 5 of us in total and we got the kill because the enemy thought we were all noobs.

We also found that other enemies ran away from us and did not engage us, I can see that lots of people are suprised we have not been stomped yet and to be honest I think it will be us doing the stomping.

We are all talking about doing a cruiser op everyday and we will strike fear into the hearts of our enemies who would dare to try and derail Hub-zero from it's goals.

This is great because there is a way forward, we need to keep our momentum and make sure we also do group PVE/mining ops so that we can eventually afford to step up our game.

We have had a few people leave to go hi sec and to be honest I am happy with this because the people who left did not seem to want to get involved with the community and help out. They seemed to just want blue status. The guys that remain in Hub Zero have my respect and they are now my brothers and I will defend and support them as best as I can.

Things are great here once again and we are going to make this a success. We are still looking for cool guys to join our daily pvp cruiser fleets and help to secure the area. The main requirement from prospective Hub Zero members will simply be a willingness to get involved with community ops and I feel this is reasonable.

We are still looking for marketeers and industry guys to come help us, and with the new prospect mining ship available we are still looking for miners.

This is so cool.

Take care, and I hope to see you soon.

Kind Regards,

Aaron.

I do not perceive this thread as a corp ad. I strongly feel you have misinterpreted it.

What you have not gleaned from my typing style is that all we are doing at the moment is securing the area so that we can have people from hi sec living here under their own corp or alliance. Once the area is secure we can then have serious hi-sec dwellers come down here and seed the market with trillions of isk worth of stuff so that other people can come here and purchase everything needed in order to make a living for themselves.

If you have bothered to do any research on this you will see that my corp numbers remain exactly the same as they was when I first started this thread, it is crystal clear to see that I am not doing this to gain more corp members wouldn't you agree?

This is an economy creation advert. My goal is to kickstart an economy in a very dangerous area of space which is almost non-existent of life and make it easier for the average player to come down here and have fun times while earning money and not be forced to join a corp. I have remained true to this goal and I have not abused my position to gain more corp members.

In-fact this is the complete opposite of a corp/alliance recruitment add, this is a revolution. The eve-online community is now taking it into their own hands to create a 0.0 experience other than Sov 0.0 one. If this is done well we could have thousands of small corps operating throughout Stain which will have an adverse effect on the recruitment goals of other serious bigger corps/alliances.

It would seem that the moderators and guys at CCP somewhat agree with this and are perhaps quite interested to see what we can do with Stain. If I may, it seems as if CCP have given us a blank canvas and paint so that we can paint our own picture of how things should be around here.

I am humbled by the devotion some of the Hub Zero members have shown here. It is an honour to be flying with you.

Market follows demand. In order to have demand, you need people (apparently hisec people), and to get people you need infrastructure that is typically alliance and corp based (read: SOV). I get that you and your friends are good combat pilots, and that's wonderful but that hasn't been enough to light up your so-called market in 0.0.

Maybe you haven't read your own thread, but when I started EVE I posted in this thread because it seemed like a cool thing you guys were doing. I even asked how I could come and join. Eventually, it made more sense to go join Brave because Brave seemed to be successful at doing what you guys have been "talking" about doing here: creating pockets for newbies to run around in, get people migrating to null, having a virtuous cycle of industry, market, PVP, PVE in the (relatively) interruption free form that it exists in hisec (whether this is true of hisec is debatable, of course).

I get the feeling that you're trying to accomplish what null alliances do, without actually having an alliance (which unites people, creates a social atmosphere, much needed drama cynos, etc.), or aggressively pushing SOV (which, while boring.. also creates the opportunity for PVE windfalls which you can't get without SOV).


The reason why I characterize this thread as a corp ad is not because you may actively be recruiting. It's because the thread looks like the typical ghost town corp thread where one or two guys reply to each other and try to get people excited about whatever it is they want to do in EVE. It's either a "My EVE" story, or a corp ad. I don't particularly care if the thread is moved. I'm fine with it in GD. My comment is more about what the thread looks like.

You've been grinding through this thread for six months, and I have read every post.. but it's not really clear to me what you've accomplished. I'm sure your intentions are virtuous. The enthusiasm, however, seems to be localized to yourself and a couple others.


The SOV system works. People complain about it because it is so effective (at keeping its knives pointed outward, while providing a safe environment for rentbears and blues).

You could, of course, respond with more defensive statements.. but why not respond to what I'm actually asking you. Why not make an alliance? Why not grind SOV? Why not actually make this a recruitment thread and get people pumped up about joining you in null?

This.. "you can swing by our 0.0 pad if you want" thing is.. about as motivational as watching my cat snooze on top of the sofa.

I have a decent bit of know-how about building things and hauling supplies into null. I wish my RL didn't have such a stranglehold on my schedule, otherwise I'd offer you my time and effort.

Funnel cakes... free funnel cakes will really bring the volunteers... and don't be stingy with the syrup. Happy Trails ! !

Actually I rather liked this post and will +1 it as soon as I have finished this reply.

We do have an alliance and we will be growing it, however it really is only going to be made up of people who buy into the concept and are keen to develop a defend it type of attitude, there are two corps that I want to invite to Secon-Dawn and will be acting on it within the next few days.

I have been involved in a number of major sov wars and a number of sov alliances, and while in 2011 and 2012 a smaller alliance could sort of hold space, now its not going to happen unless the major coalitions collapse under their own weight, its possible there are signs of stress, but if it does happen it will take some time to manifest itself. So at this point you have three choices, be part of a elite alliance such as PL and NCDOT and move to where you are told and fight when told to, you could be part of the CFC and fight as part of a corp which is judged for its involvement, less of a bind then the first group, or of course you can rent, but then you are grinding in a boring fashion for the first and second groups to continue to control Eve.

Brave Newbies are heavily infiltrated by various of those groups, however you like provibloc are allowed to keep your space as long as you deliver good fights to these other entities, you of course have people supplying ships and modules to their players in those groups and a limited SRP, rather like IRC did, and you are farmed like IRC was for kills and the leadership then sell to you to defend the space and also farms your PvE.

The reality is that you are locked into a system, and Brave Newbies are part of that system, you are replacing IRC..., you are the foruth group, the preyed upon on their terms...

You might often notice the leet players going on about people deserving their space etc., we have one telling us that we are leeches in this space, because we are not part of the first second or third group, so they are trying to farm us for kills. The fun part is that the core group we have here tend to be difficult to kill, many of us know how to play to minimise risk, also my object is not to be a fun kill for one of these leet players, I personally will cut off my nose to spite my face rather than give them a easy kill. The majority of people play this game to get the perfect kill, easpecially the leet ones, this means they play the game as gankbears, what that means is that they stack all the odds in their favour and get the prefect kill, many are very good at it, however they do not have the white knuckle feeling of a close fight, you notice that they often de-sub when they get bored, but they have made the game boring.

At this moment we have a NCDOT group camping us because we are leeches as we are not part of the three groups detailed, they have the perfect risk free kill mentality, and they are very good at it, however its a stale sort of gameplay because there is no real excitement for the prey of the predator. The only way to fight it is to bore them to death..., which means we get bored with Eve, giving them fights is not going to work, they only take fighst they can win totally or they avoid and catching them is very very difficult.

The reality is that Hub Zero was created with the understanding that only a minority of people would be prepared to stand up to fight for the space, my feeling is that this is around 20% of what I call the general player base and only 30% of that group are really up for it all the time, I have no issue with people wanting to make ISK, I have often found that those that do not PvP in terrms of exploding space ships will often make donations to assist the group as a whole, as long as people recognise that they have helped, also I look at this from the school of fish basis is that our core group operate at a lower more risk controlled basis so the ISK generators get picked off more than we do.

We cannot hold and control sov space on our terms, however we can carve out a bit of NPC 0.0 space where we can operate at certain times and in certain systems regardless of the people that seek to stop us.

Sadly the number of gormless players who want to pick off hisec noobs has dried up, now all we have left are the gankbear no risk types with afk cloaky camping and BLOP drop tactics, but that is Eve, I can handle it easily, because I can play when they are not active, but they do impact a major part of our time zones. This NCDOT group has told a couple of our players that they intend to camp our area and purge us from this space, if they do that they might get some people to move away, for a while, however many of the people in Hub Zero operate across various areas and as soon as they have got bored camping with no kills they will move on to other things and others areas and our prople will be back again. We are in this for the long haul and while I intend to play Star Citizen I do intend to keep my two accounts going and continue to play Eve by at least logging in on my second PC and being there for when I am needed.

I hope this gives you more of an idea of where we are coming from, our strategy and the structure of Hub-Zero, the only issue for me is that the market is still not there and I am not going to sell my stuff on the open market for our enemies to pick off.

40 percent over Jita for enemies, potential enemies, and strangers? You are too nice.

I remember tangling with the Death of Virtue guys in lowsec back in the day and they had pretty much a system they controlled. Anyway, if you ended up in "their" stations, and needed to say buy a shuttle to escape (after losing your ship to those rat bastards *shakes fist*) it was marked up like 8000 percent or something. Though it was done more for humor. But I digress.

Were it up to me I would take a risk factor in account for the kind of equipment sold. It would be great if new players can come out and openly buy T1 frigates and modules to run those Sansha missions for those who want to get LP for faction goodies. Someone wanting to come out and buy a stealth bomber "anonymously" should pay big ISK for it though. Especially the bombs. Also, if one of the local AFK cloakers gets trapped and blapped (like it has happened before ) they should have to do 40 jumps in the gank pipeline to go buy another cloak or mark up the cloak locally for 10K percent. A cloaker can camp me all day if I got large ISK for selling the cloak I still win, for example.

And no less than 1 billion ISK for a covert cyno.