These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Out of Pod Experience

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

EVE is not for me

First post
Author
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-06-12 07:01:20 UTC
Christus Estnatus Hemanseh wrote:
My experience with returning to EVE has been that, out of six times when I asked for help at the rookie pilot channel, I was convoed three times and two of the convoers attempted to grief me.

That was on my first week. Obviously I stopped asking for help at the rookie pilot channel...


Good for you, that's what we call "learning" and it is a requirement to be able to play

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2014-06-12 07:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
randprin wrote:

so, sum of my EVE experience.
1st try, was fun until my corp leader sold everything in the corp hangars and took it all with him

with the exception of my first corp, i've always been more eve rich than leadership... also, the lesson here is don't cause the temptation

randprin wrote:

2nd try, was ok until my corp collapsed from officer corruption + the hell fun i had being chain killed trying to retrieve some of my stuff from null sec (was my fault, thought a "half now, half when i'm in high sec" deal with the new owners of the station would keep me safe, guess they were more interested in racking up the killscore)

got chain killed as a noob trying to go on shopping runs in curse, discovered highsec as a result, & discovered it was a lot more fun. I keep a jump clone at my old home station and regularly visit the 300 mil ISK worth of NPC loot and salvage in my hangar. (who says it needs to go anywhere)

randprin wrote:

3rd try, about 3 months until i got tired of being scammed, cheated and killed by every group i actually started to trust enough with going to null sec (i think the "best" one was when someone i played with for 2 months managed to lure me into null sec so his friend could get a kill and then tried to ransom my pod)

don't make nullsec a priority, then. by now i'm seeing a trend of someone who allows themselves to admit defeat / accepts defeat.

randprin wrote:

4th try (right now), it was fun doing some exploring, except for the fact in about 50% of the sites i'd go in only to have someone come in after i cleared it to steal the overseer structure drops (i did do the heavy lifting for them blowing it up, and it's nice of CCP to tag them for me... that is, if i actually had a chance to get the drop on them before they either jumped or (in one occasion) stayed around with a couple of friends just to see if i was stupid enough to actually shoot them).

Ah, this is the one I quoted your post into separate items. just curious, was it me? I used to roam for 4/10s in high sec with a gang consisting of: 1 harpy for the loot grabber, 2 oracles, 1 buzzard, 2 scimitars, 1 link booster (siege/skirmish), and an orca. the contested ones were the -best-

randprin wrote:

ah well, as they say, it's only money, i paid my 15$, saw what's new, the game is beautiful, and the PVE combat is kinda fun for me, but i won't bother sticking around

I found myself wondering just a couple hours ago whether the real reason some people stay and most leave is competition among other players... and if it's true whether subscriptions are something CCP could ever control.

meaning: EVE is hard because you have to play by the same rules as everyone else, and where you place among them is relative, not absolute. play smarter, harder, more creative... do something, anything to be the best you can at playing -your- game.

This is where I realize: how one plays EVE might be a mirror into how one moves through life..

don't compare your progress with anyone else's. your timeline, influences, and capabilities are not the same as anyone else, so don't lock your opinion or perception of other people with those of your own.

I would blow my own mind from when I got chain killed as a clueless noob, and that's very, very special to me. and you know what else, man, you will always be the only person you can gloat to and not cause some hint of resentment. no one can be as happy for you as you could be.

I made the trip back to my stuff in an interceptor, before the nullification change (like, a year before), and man that was enough of a triumph to last me for the next ten years no matter what else happened. (****, look at that caldari battleship skillbook sitting there, waiting to be injected... I am a ******* god now. that is also my first corpse ever and the corpse of the dude who killed me. my corpmates caught him on his way out; the SSDC guys kick so much ass)

randprin, I'm a little concerned for you, because I don't think this is about 'just' a video game for you. you returned several times like a winner who picks themselves back up, but right now you're quitting, and that makes you the other thing. don't let yourself do that, man. not in EVE, not in life. ever.

at the very least, resub one more time, and make it back to your old hangar.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-06-12 07:24:43 UTC
if you treat this game like counter-strike where your kill/death ratio is the only thing that matters, you haven't even scratched the surface.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2014-06-12 09:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
randprin wrote:
EVE is a game where the worst human traits are actually rewarded, if are a liar, a cheater, a con man at heart, if you enjoy scamming, stealing and lying to people. if you get your kicks out of murder and mayhem. this is the game for you. you will be rewarded for it, you will grow strong on it, and people will cheer you on and treat you as a "pro".
The strong prey on the weak, the only differences between Eve and the real world in this respect is that the scammers, thieves, liars, murderers and conmen get to wear a suit in the real world; whereas here we all get spaceships.

Quote:
i think this game is in serious need of an actual system overhaul to balance out the "evil" part of it, there should be meaningful consequences to a choice to be "evil" because these days it's more of a slap on wrist (oh no, i can't go into high sec, oh wait, i have alts to get anything i want from there, actually, is there anything i want from there?!).

in the end i guess i am waiting for a PVE focused game (or at least one where if you steal someone's stuff for kicks, since you don't need it and he has no way to retaliate, there are consequences).
If you want consequences, then it's up to you to provide them.

Quote:
so, sum of my EVE experience.
1st try, was fun until my corp leader sold everything in the corp hangars and took it all with him
2nd try, was ok until my corp collapsed from officer corruption + the hell fun i had being chain killed trying to retrieve some of my stuff from null sec (was my fault, thought a "half now, half when i'm in high sec" deal with the new owners of the station would keep me safe, guess they were more interested in racking up the killscore)
3rd try, about 3 months until i got tired of being scammed, cheated and killed by every group i actually started to trust enough with going to null sec (i think the "best" one was when someone i played with for 2 months managed to lure me into null sec so his friend could get a kill and then tried to ransom my pod)
4th try (right now), it was fun doing some exploring, except for the fact in about 50% of the sites i'd go in only to have someone come in after i cleared it to steal the overseer structure drops (i did do the heavy lifting for them blowing it up, and it's nice of CCP to tag them for me... that is, if i actually had a chance to get the drop on them before they either jumped or (in one occasion) stayed around with a couple of friends just to see if i was stupid enough to actually shoot them).
Not sure if you're unlucky, or cursed by carebearism (carebear is an attitude, not a playstyle)

*Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-06-12 09:31:42 UTC
randprin, the only person who can make randprin disappear is you.

in comparison, getting your pod killed doesn't mean ****. you don't even have to press 'continue.'

'consequence.' Lol

RAND. **** these guys. resub.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-06-12 10:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
rand, get in touch with me. especially if it's soon, we can do 4/10s in a gang. we'll do level 4s even. then i'll show you how to turn the ISK you get from that into even more ISK. spend a weekend on comms and in-game with me and i'll show you how to make enough to plex your account every four or five days.

also: start posting more, especially in OOPE... it's mostly just crap topics everyone has heard about elsewhere, but it gets posted so we can BS about it. you're a 2004 toon which is epic, but your only thread was this one... don't go out like that bro

if you don't have fun at -all- for a month of resubbing, and you feel it's a waste, i'll give you a PLEX so you can play another month for free.

you got nothing to lose, everything to make better in this game that you were one of the earliest groups to find, and obviously you knew it could be fun or else you wouldn't have come back repeatedly.

if you want someone who can be trusted, trust me. I've done nothing but find ISK and new experiences in the interest of myself -and- my mates. even reimbursed derp durrr after we lost a pos that had his stuff in it...

remember the day you resubbed and it changed your gameplay for ever. take a video & put it on youtube or start a new thread. (maybe)

PVE? hell yes. i know my stuff when it comes to PVE, dude. looking for level 4 missioning or 4/10s? done. fancy, over-the-top mission fleets for lols? i got that. wormhole sleepers? got that too. I'll tell you all about that and the things i'm into now.
Graygor
1kB Realty
#27 - 2014-06-12 12:40:31 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
randprin wrote:
EVE is a game where the worst human traits are actually rewarded, if are a liar, a cheater, a con man at heart, if you enjoy scamming, stealing and lying to people. if you get your kicks out of murder and mayhem. this is the game for you. you will be rewarded for it, you will grow strong on it, and people will cheer you on and treat you as a "pro".
The strong prey on the weak, the only differences between Eve and the real world in this respect is that the scammers, thieves, liars, murderers and conmen get to wear a suit in the real world; whereas here we all get spaceships.


I'll have you now that right now we in the evil, global, banking, Illuminati are currently in short sleeves as its far too hot.

Suit jackets will return in October.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Christus Estnatus Hemanseh
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-06-12 12:56:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Christus Estnatus Hemanseh wrote:
My experience with returning to EVE has been that, out of six times when I asked for help at the rookie pilot channel, I was convoed three times and two of the convoers attempted to grief me.

That was on my first week. Obviously I stopped asking for help at the rookie pilot channel...


Good for you, that's what we call "learning" and it is a requirement to be able to play


Good for me 'coz of many years playing EVE so I've a grasp on the basics. Griefin noobs from the rookie help channel is no good for the game.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#29 - 2014-06-12 13:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Graygor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
randprin wrote:
EVE is a game where the worst human traits are actually rewarded, if are a liar, a cheater, a con man at heart, if you enjoy scamming, stealing and lying to people. if you get your kicks out of murder and mayhem. this is the game for you. you will be rewarded for it, you will grow strong on it, and people will cheer you on and treat you as a "pro".
The strong prey on the weak, the only differences between Eve and the real world in this respect is that the scammers, thieves, liars, murderers and conmen get to wear a suit in the real world; whereas here we all get spaceships.


I'll have you now that right now we in the evil, global, banking, Illuminati are currently in short sleeves as its far too hot.

Suit jackets will return in October.

Ha ha!

Anyway OP, you always have the option of becoming a space vigilante and going after the 'evil' guys. That's my current hobby in EVE. No hate or space politics involved, just the fun of hunting and shooting each other.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-06-12 17:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
biggest nuisance i ever met in game is a cop irl. and he was calm about it like he was going to keep it up forever. i'm glad i'm not like that and don't have a desire to play that way.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-06-12 18:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I had irl friends as a support system. it blows me away when i meet players who stick it out on their own in this game. it's very easy to find enough acidity to decide it's not worthwhile. obviously there's an expectation here that someone will care, which I can identify with.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#32 - 2014-06-12 19:11:06 UTC
Hi randprin! o/

This has been a really nice thread, hope it keeps going.

My only input on the matter, since I have a particular play style here ingame, is to keep going at it.

Like Rain said, dont quit in flames and despair and as usual ignore the trolling, even I have been on the trolling side sometimes during my 9 years here (OMFG cant believe I have been here 9 years)

EVE is a very special game, a niche game.

You have all this absurdly overblown political drama of people that like to play the game a certain way, the absurdly overblown tearfeasts of people that like to play the game in a more conservative way and then you have those that fall in the middle, and as many iterations as possible of these 3 spots as there are players.

Trolling, griefing, scamming etc are parts of eve, undeniable parts and FACTS.

This once understood can easily be overlooked (even swept under a rug) if you focus your gameplay into a particular area.

My own personal experience has not been unlike others here.

Nice corps, was even in an alliance, travelled in null , got crushed, friends dispersed, had to rebuild, got scammed, trolled to hell, etc, etc, etc.

And after 9 years, I am still here. Why?

The People man!

No other game EVER has this astounding amount of "people generated content" in a weirdly done sandboxy system of bad dev decisions and strange pullings to the edges of the map, but it exists, and unlike some people that think they are the only creators of said content I see this in all zones every day, created by people that don´t even know what they are doing.

People, just people.

Hate them, love them ... I have played in many many MMO´s all these years, and have seen kins, guilds, clans and even the mmo themselves fall apart or dwindle to almost non-existence.

EVE is here, and I plan to see it for as long as I can.

EVE itself is beyond CCP right now, they are like the Tech-Priests maintaining the Golden Throne, honestly sometimes barely understanding how it works.

EVE is People, and without them EVE is no more.

These are my insane ramblings on EVE, but they are true

Find your niche, your spot here, once you do it, you will always return here, and no amount of scorn, hatred, callousness or deceit will tarnish your joy of the most annoying game ever.

Don´t laugh. EVE isn´t fun per se, it´s a mediocre boring spreadsheets on space backgrounds with drony techno-music (or silence) full of lag where your only representation of physicality is an avatar JAILED in a room as raw data of virtual inane goods is accessible to you at your whim, and in despair you move around in space in a coffin-ship in an universe where the older you get the more trapped you are to the system, and not even DEATH itself will free you from this burden, for you are cursed to live here, all it does is make you feel bad for losing one of your coffins.

it might give you some fun moments, but they are filled with hours of masochistic, soul crushing nothingness, but I believe deep down, most people endure those nihilistic voids of existence just to savour the sweet, rare and precious moments when you actually accomplish "something".

As if this was a big jail filled with sadistic Wardens that receive sexual gratification seeing the prison run itself as the prisoners actually are grateful for being there, for expanding the prison complex and praising their lot within this hellish nightmare of Kafkian existence.

Once you understand your position in this jail, once you know it deep in your bones, EVE will be with you forever.

Join us in torment, for it is indeed delicious.

We all are the many facets of The One, be with us, scream with us, squeal in perverted joy at our plight as we shed the blood tears of exquisite agony, for this is our Hell, our Dark Paradise, our Oblivion.

Come to us, writhe in the most bittersweet pain of Anguish and Misery, for you are one of us Brother!!!

o/

Cheers!

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Anslo
Scope Works
#33 - 2014-06-12 20:13:25 UTC
Such a supportive community...

Christ -_-

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-06-12 21:11:20 UTC
Why do people feel the need to "shout back through the door" as they're leaving? If you want to leave, then just leave. No need to make a self-percieved dramatic exit. *smh

OP, if you think anything that happens in this game is what real evil is, then I am glad you have had such an easy life...so far...
There is true, shocking, chilling evil aplenty in this world, but nothing in any video game really compares...

Goodbye






Morgan Alec
Kal El Corporation
#35 - 2014-06-12 21:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Alec
Aw, I'm sorry to hear that you think Eve is too evil for you.

When I first started playing Eve, I know that scamming is part of the game. So, I don't blame anyone if I get scammed (never happened), or if they blew up my ship (happened a lot of times, which was all in good fun).

Having said that, Eve is also not for me. But, for different reasons. I started playing Eve after reading those really interesting player stories. During trial, I was immediately asked to join a null sec training corp straight from rookie chat. It was fun for a few days until I got so overwhelmed that I quit. Then, I joined BNI for a couple weeks thinking that maybe a larger newbie corp will be better for me. But, I just got lost there. So, I tried fw plexing, and I've never yawned so much in my life. I also tried mining which is kinda fun for me since I usually do something else. I tried pve but after awhile, it's boring. I have not tried pvp (well, people try to kill me and I find it fun when they were chasing me and I got away from them but that's about it) because I don't have much skills and I can't really fly anything well. So, for about 5 months now, I just log in to train my character. I probably have a month of sub left which I am really considering just buying cheap ships and suiciding all of them before I retire.

I think that Eve is a great game for certain people. I tried to love Eve, but it's hard for me. I am sure that many players are having more fun with it than me though. There were also really nice player who help you out when you ask for help in local (I only do this in high sec, I don't trust anyone in lower security areas. Lol)
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-06-12 21:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
Morgan Alec wrote:
Aw, I'm sorry to hear that you think Eve is too evil for you.

When I first started playing Eve, I know that scamming is part of the game. So, I don't blame anyone if I get scammed (never happened), or if they blew up my ship (happened a lot of times, which was all in good fun).

Having said that, Eve is also not for me. But, for different reasons. I started playing Eve after reading those really interesting player stories. During trial, I was immediately asked to join a null sec training corp straight from rookie chat. It was fun for a few days until I got so overwhelmed that I quit. Then, I joined BNI for a couple weeks thinking that maybe a larger newbie corp will be better for me. But, I just got lost there. So, I tried fw plexing, and I've never yawned so much in my life. I also tried mining which is kinda fun for me since I usually do something else. I tried pve but after awhile, it's boring. I have not tried pvp (well, people try to kill me and I find it fun when they were chasing me and I got away from them but that's about it) because I don't have much skills and I can't really fly anything well. So, for about 5 months now, I just log in to train my character. I probably have a month of sub left which I am really considering just buying cheap ships and suiciding all of them before I retire.

I think that Eve is a great game for certain people. I tried to love Eve, but it's hard for me. I am sure that many players are having more fun with it than me though. There were also really nice player who help you out when you ask for help in local (I only do this in high sec, I don't trust anyone in lower security areas. Lol)


Well, EVE is about either fitting into the core game, or finding a comfy niche until CCP evicts you through action or lack of action.

It is sad to see young players quit, but then, I've seen so many people quit EVE... it's like growing old, some day you notice how you know more dead people than people still alive, or maybe you are the last one.

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#37 - 2014-06-12 21:54:23 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.


4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.


5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.

Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2014-06-13 16:22:36 UTC
for some time now, I've thought about running an introductory, comprehesive, free, unbiased, unofficial (no corp ties) school in caldari space for day 0 players. Not to prevent this thread's situation specifically, but to simply introduce players to subcapital gameplay, as well as things outside the client like evemon, mumble/jabber/teamspeak, siggy, the forums which would serve as additional "hooks" to retain players, and also prepare players for the group environment.

I would need a few days per player & it will cost a bit of isk for skillbook packs, but not much. ...walk them through everything in the game so they are aware of what is available to explore.

not to create content, but to show them tools to create their own. I don't know enough to teach it all, but I think I know enough to introduce it.

perhaps if they show promise, at the end I can pass them through Team Evil to install jump clones. their employment history would also serve as a seal of approval, and I can award a medal... but I like to dream. (hey, in the US military, you get a bit of ribbon for completing basic training)

as for why I would be motivated to do this, I think it's one of those things (good and bad) that permeate a larger group over time. and as for my reputation, people will think what they want... what I think is: asking resigned players to join you on comms and asking for their stuff are just choices in the sandbox.

anyway.

In randprin's case, like many others, chances are there is more content to be had if randprin was more aware of all the tools available to create it.

Team Evil recently made a motivated move out of a C5 Lol, and things are still settling... but this school idea lingers, so look out for a thread about it.
Marsha Mallow
#39 - 2014-06-13 18:28:48 UTC
Christus Estnatus Hemanseh wrote:
My experience with returning to EVE has been that, out of six times when I asked for help at the rookie pilot channel, I was convoed three times and two of the convoers attempted to grief me.

That was on my first week. Obviously I stopped asking for help at the rookie pilot channel...

Griefing new players in rookie help is not condoned afaik. If you have a genuine case where people are convoing new players in there for the purposes of scamming or griefing petition it. Just be aware that heated discussions don't always constitute griefing. Last time I saw this complaint it was someone batch adding people to a channel to give out new player advice then offering them 21 day buddy codes for a set ISK price. I checked it out and it's not classed as new player harassment, there's an active thread somewhere with people offering buddy codes.

@ OP, Rain seems to be offering time to try help, there's really nothing to lose by taking it. That said, some types of games just aren't for everyone. It's wierd to have been here so long and had so many negative experiences but playing a few months then taking really long breaks sounds like it might be a big part of the problem. To find a good group you need to stick around a while, and if they break up whilst you are out of game for a long time try to get back in touch with the people you like. It's not all about the bad stuff, part of the gameplay is finding a group to overcome those aspects with. Use ingame channels as well as corporate, it helps a lot if you take extensive breaks.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2014-06-13 19:30:38 UTC
Thanks Marsha.

so maybe it's embarrassing to hear someone admit they're disappointed because nobody cared. but you know what they say about the faults we find in others. anyone who has thanked a corpmate for watching their back or doing them a favor understands what was missing.

if randprin is aware of it, then he has a capacity for it. players like that should be helped in the high likelihood they'll appreciate it and become the kind of player who is good for the longevity of the game (via subscriptions).

the toxic, harsh aspect of the culture should stay. but you can still exercise some duality by helping a noobie on an alt.