Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hull cost of the target ship means nothing.

+1. The things you used to be able to do, compared to the things that you can do now? Yeah, it's not just fair to say that ganking has been nerfed into the ground, it's fair to say that it needs buffed pretty badly.

The empires are losing control to CONCORD, who essentially use the threat of us to terrorize them, and then claim to be saviors because they are the only ones who can keep us under control.

Compare the navy NPCs you fight (and the faction police... heh) to CONCORD.



The fact that we observe capsuleers brutalizing one another even with CONCORD must frighten the empires. Without CONCORD doubtless we'd waste them like so many ratters shooting red + signs.

I readed almost all these page and i came to 1 conclusion, I'M GOOD AT MATHEMATICS AND YOU D'ONT

Hauler lose no matter what

i'm not a hauler neither a Ganker

Lets say There is no concord on the place in a .5 system, something normal for a normal day

a Freighter pilot get into the system on autopilot ( something quite often and NORMAL for a freighter ), he begin his warp and arrive at 15 km of the next game at 100m/s hes in for 1000 second so lets just calculate infinite time here cause he wont make it to the gate

Basic Providence Hull : 1,500,000,000 isk (345,000 EHP normal skill with 3 bulkhead)
Basic Catalyst Fitted for Ganking 10,000,000 for 1200 alpha, 6 shoot before being concorded (HP not important)
Basic Tornado Fitted t2 Arty 100,000,000 for 11,500 alpha 1 shoot before being concorded

Basicly, i think Tornado are not worth it ... but i'm not in this business, i'm probably wrong

so 350,000 / ( 6 X 1200 ) = 48............ Basicly, you can kill a Freighter with 50 Destroyer in about 10-15 second

Yeah that's a lot of destroyer, but its worth 500,000,000

Basicly, as most of you say, the hull does not count for money so lets not count it ...
to make a "SAFE" trip in freighter, mean bandits does not have a profit margin on you so HALF of your stuff should drop ...

meaning you paid 1,500,000,000 for a ship that can only Haul something worth 1,000,000,000

Meanwhile ... this poor Hauler ... has ... had a cargo of 1,5B something small for a capacity of 380,000 m3

WHAT I SUGGEST FOR SOLVING THIS PROBLEM =

OPTION 1 = You, the Hauler, the Industrialist, the Miner that get screwed by these person, do something about it ... since you cant tank yourself more, and you take a lots of risk ... make them ... pay for it, EXACTLY AS IT SOUND, stop building trasher and catalyst, buy them all of the market, make the catalyst price go over 20 million each, HOW WILL THE GANKERS REACT TO THAT ?

OPTION 2 = if you own a Freighter, you are probably damn rich, buy a t3 cruiser and go make some PVP ( not vs Hauler )

OPTION 3 = Continue to hope CCP add something to make it so that the penalty of ganking would be anything close to what you can lose when you get your ship destroyed

OPTION 4 = Contact the main gankers alliance i got CODE in the head but i'm sure there is a lot more, and ask for a permit to do what you do. As stupid as it sound, im pretty sure you can buy your protection at less than 200 millions per month.

you could also continue to complain in this thread that CCP will never read past the 2nd page cause both side only repeat himself, Its not a bad thing for gankers to kill freighter but making it so that gankers can kill anything, at only 1/3 of the cost of the hull they break in 10-15 second. Meaning its quite easy to make a decent profit, since you pay for all the ship concord destroyed.

CCP won't do anything to prevent a group of player from exploiting the game, think of jita burn, and large group of cheap ship that easily kill freighter since the new patch. You will have to find a solution that affect the economy, since you don't control gank, you the Hauler, the Industrialist, the Miner, is what you control ... the economy of low end material and t1 ship building, to keep them from getting the ship and weapons that are used to Gank you

TRY THIS, NEXT TIME YOU LOG, BUY 50 CATALYST AT 1M EACH AND PLACE A SELL ORDER AT 20M EACH OF THE SAME QUANTITY YOU BOUGHT, IF 500 PERSON ACCEPT TO "INVEST" THEIR MONEY LIKE THAT, THEY WILL BE NO MORE CATALYST IN ALL THE HUB IN

well sorry if it seamed like an angry post ...

but did i tell anything that is false ?

Hauler does not control much about being ganked, but they control other stuff, and if they make group ( 10-20 like gankers ) they can make a difference by doing stuff that the gankers won't see coming

if they try to buy all catalyst on the market, without making buy order, and selling them back for 20m each they can make it so that it will cost around 30m for a ganking catalyst, greatly augmenting the value they have to have in cargo to be worth ganking

With a quick eve-central calculation it would cost a little more than 9B to buy all the Catalyst in THE FORGE in EVE

knowing gankers are rarely producer, they would need to buy catalyst somewhere else, making it more difficult to organise group of catalyst in that area of the game

according to eve-central, there is a total of ~25k Catalyst in the game valued to ~47 Billion, providing they Recycle what they buy, they get a refund of 30B on it to destroy all the Catalyst in the game

i knew a person who had that in his wallet .... don't tell me Industrialist cannot do stuff to prevent their Fall, they can just not do combat stuff

Pretty much all you post is ranting nonsense.

I could simply quote your whole posts again, but you still wouldn't see it. Or else you wouldn't post in the first place.

A few things off hand.
Flying a freighter on auto pilot, is not normal and people should diaf when they do.
Your EHP 346,567 is at skill level 5, is that normal now?
I'd like to see your 'Normal' Catalyst gank fit that will get 1200 Alpha against that ship.
Solving what problem? If you mean solve the problem of players thinking they can haul expensive loads through high sec alone on auto pilot and believe this is the normal thing. Then yes, that is a problem to solve. But nothing you posted helps in that regard.

Option 1. The only one screwing the miners and haulers, are themselves. They have options already, but many choose not to use them. Also, many Gankers are industrialists as well.

Option 2. Why does owning a freighter make you damn rich? And what does buying a T3 cruiser have to do with it?

Option 3. You can already make the penalty for ganking, cost more than what you would lose.

Option 4. Why pay an enemy, when you could either not make yourself a target, or pay a friend to help you move your freighter?

Players playing the game by the rules, is not exploiting the game. You also don't control the market and if you tried, you would fail.

Oh and posting in bold capitals as you did, is a rant and was also nonsense.

**** High Sec.

Thats why.

Before you all continud to ramble on about who's to blame for ganking, I suggest you all read this article:

Read me, and pay close attention to the last five paragraphs.

Eve is about choices. If you choose the reward over mitigating the risk, then the only one to blame is yourself. No amount of arguing will change the simple fact that if you provide everyone a nice juicy target, then someone is going to take a shot at it.

What I'd like to see is a statistic from CCP showing the average number of freighters in space on any given day. I'm willing to bet that the ratio of freighters in space during an average day compared to the number of freighters killed is astronomically small.

Of course all this logic means nothing to the people arguing to nerf ganking cause all they care about is that isk/hr, not in actually having fun playing a freaking game. All you highsec carebears, answer one simple question honestly.

When was the last time you went out with your corpmates and just flew around doing whatever the hell you wanted, not caring if you made isk or not, just for fun?

And what would be gained from returning back to the state where m0o was possible? You already have Burn Jita these days, which is in no way different from m0o's blockades.