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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#21 - 2014-05-27 18:29:18 UTC
Minnie Hitwoman wrote:
I was thinking about where a thread like this belongs. By the contents of it, it kinda should be in CAOD, but I just know that I'm not going to get any honest (or even mature) responses there.Ugh GD sounds like a lesser evil Lol

Anyway, I'm interested in experiences of players that rent space or are playing in renter corps/alliances. It shouldn't be too difficult to get some answers, since there seems to be a lot of players in rented space.

These are the questions I'd like to ask (you can, obviously, post with an alt if you don't want to disclose any sensitive info):

- How long have you been renting?
- Have you ever rented a space before (within some other landowner)?
- How much are you paying for your system(s) and which services (upgrades) do you have installed?
- Do you have a jump bridge route to your system and how difficult is to get to your system from the nearest high-sec region?
- Are roaming gangs of reds frequent (by your opinion) in the space you rent?
- What is your primary activity in the rented space (mining? production? PI? supercap building (if allowed)? ratting?)
- Have you ever switched systems? For example, if a system better than your current one becomes free while still being a property of your landowner.
- Is "blue awoksing" common?
- Why have you decided to rent instead of pursuing your goals with other options?

I hope answers will shed some light on a huge part of this game that haven't been discussed much.


1) been a few years, but I rented for about a year in 2010.

2) several

3) first was in cloud ring, we were charged.. I think 500m a month for 4 systems. Then we rented in wicked creek under atlas, and paid... 400m or so a month for 5 systems. Then White noise took out atlas and jacked the rent up to like 5b a month. So we dropped to 2 systems for a month. Then got screwed over and I took a break so we mothballed. All upgades we did ourselves, white noise had some really stupid rules.

4) no we had a jb form a cyno jammed to un jammed system, and we used wh;'s and jf's to get to hs.

5) it depends. When atlas was being invaded a lot of reds and afk cloakers, when it was not being invaded it was easy living

6) under atlas and in cloud ring all was allowed. White noise all was allowed except outpost construction.

7) yup

8) about as common as with any 0.0 entitiy

9) we were a small (500 man) industridal alliance, not much military might. Renting was the only way to not get steam rolled at the time.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-05-28 15:48:41 UTC
- How long have you been renting?

About 4 months

- Have you ever rented a space before (within some other landowner)?

No, in truth I'd only been in Null sec for a few weeks before moving to rented spac

- How much are you paying for your system(s) and which services (upgrades) do you have installed?

About 5 billion (I wasn't really sure on specifics), industry and pirate to 5, they were already installed but we did have to wait a while to get them onlined.

- Do you have a jump bridge route to your system and how difficult is to get to your system from the nearest high-sec region?

We got a JF near a local ice system but really the only way out to high sec was either wormholes or interceptor. Most stuff came via JF.

- Are roaming gangs of reds frequent (by your opinion) in the space you rent?

Infrequent but there was usually a few incidents a day, being at the edge of the map took us of the radar.

- What is your primary activity in the rented space (mining? production? PI? supercap building (if allowed)? ratting?)

Mining, ratting, capital production, beyond that the local market was dead so industry was rather out of the question

- Have you ever switched systems? For example, if a system better than your current one becomes free while still being a property of your landowner.

Yes, we move to a subletting structure with a supercap producer in a nearby system.

- Is "blue awoksing" common?

It was occasionally talked about in alliance chat/mail but wasn't an extreme problem.

- Why have you decided to rent instead of pursuing your goals with other options?

The corp's alliance lost its SOV after B-R and was going to go mobile which didn't git with the industry focus so we decided to move to renting as a way to keep doing what we wanted.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#23 - 2014-05-28 16:03:31 UTC
Renting is pretty much on par with buying SP.

"Did you put in the work?"...."No we just bought it."

I'd sure be proud....
BoodaBooda
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#24 - 2014-05-28 17:21:29 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
All it takes is some d!ckhead exec to do something stupid to destroy an entire community of renters, ala Booda and TEST a year ago.


YYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

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Chase Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-05-28 17:25:46 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:

All it takes is some d!ckhead exec to do something stupid to destroy an entire community of renters, ala Booda and TEST a year ago.



rip in pis renters
Ko'Ahi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-05-28 17:26:31 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Renting is pretty much on par with buying SP.

"Did you put in the work?"...."No we just bought it."

I'd sure be proud....


Because the SP you have currently is a result of your hard work right?

And not waiting offline while it automatically accrued?

Without any effort whatsoever on your part?

Well maybe you had to log in every once in a while to set your skill queue, which apparently you view as work.

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Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-05-28 17:28:32 UTC
Being a renter means you live in constant fear of getting your sphincter resized. I'd rather be slumming in lowsec than pay to be bad.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Evai Tsuki
Something Went Wrong
#28 - 2014-05-28 17:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Evai Tsuki
Minnie Hitwoman wrote:
I was thinking about where a thread like this belongs. By the contents of it, it kinda should be in CAOD, but I just know that I'm not going to get any honest (or even mature) responses there.Ugh GD sounds like a lesser evil Lol

Anyway, I'm interested in experiences of players that rent space or are playing in renter corps/alliances. It shouldn't be too difficult to get some answers, since there seems to be a lot of players in rented space.

These are the questions I'd like to ask (you can, obviously, post with an alt if you don't want to disclose any sensitive info):

- How long have you been renting?
- Have you ever rented a space before (within some other landowner)?
- How much are you paying for your system(s) and which services (upgrades) do you have installed?
- Do you have a jump bridge route to your system and how difficult is to get to your system from the nearest high-sec region?
- Are roaming gangs of reds frequent (by your opinion) in the space you rent?
- What is your primary activity in the rented space (mining? production? PI? supercap building (if allowed)? ratting?)
- Have you ever switched systems? For example, if a system better than your current one becomes free while still being a property of your landowner.
- Is "blue awoksing" common?
- Why have you decided to rent instead of pursuing your goals with other options?

I hope answers will shed some light on a huge part of this game that haven't been discussed much.


The Corp I'm in is an ex-WHYSO industrial corp, who lived in Outer Passage. When WHYSO ceded Outer Passage to PL, we simply decided to stay and rent the systems instead.

-We've been renting since Febuary, only 4 months so far.
-Yeah, I rented space from WHYSO starting in June, 2013, but that only lasted about a month since the Whyso folks liked us so much we got invited to join them instead as non-renters.
-We pay about 7bil a month for 3 systems. Moon Goo in these systems pretty much pays for the rent. (PL only wants R64 and some of the better R32)
-We are literally about as far from Highsec as you can get. We need 5 cynos to get from our home system into the lowsec next to highsec. (We use an out-of-corp turnover toon to bring the JFs themselves into highsec, because of constant wardec)
-It depends on the day. Some days you see no neuts/reds, some days you get loads coming through. Honestly, I get more kills in my Skiff than my PVP ships because they slaughter interceptors :D
-We are mainly a mining corp, though we also have rented a ratting system as well for those who enjoy blowing ships up instead of rocks.
-Meh, we have considered switching systems - 10 bil a month for a higher sec status system wouldn't /really/ be a big blow to our wallets consdering we move about 50-60bil into highsec every month on a slow month. But we're really lazy and would have to move alot of assets.
-Our particular Corp has /never/ been awoxed. Once every week or two though, you do get an alliance-wide evemail warning about a person to watch for.
-Why did we rent? Well, we were an industrial corp in WhySo, and instead of having a PVP quota (required attendance/etc), we had a fuel block quota - our job was to mine the ice needed to fuel the towers. Honestly, we just pay ISK now instead of blocks.

Personally, I understand the dismissal of renters as subpar or whatever. Hell, when we first joined Brother of Tangra, we were all "Alright guys, remember to always escalate 10 carriers into a hopeless situation because we're renters now".

But renting is very relaxing. You get to do what you like and don't really have to answer to anyone. I dunno if I would go back to a big nullsec block again after having rented.
Sykochik
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-05-28 18:41:06 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Renting is pretty much on par with buying SP.

"Did you put in the work?"...."No we just bought it."

I'd sure be proud....


Yes, because a 10 man industrial corp is totally capable of holding sov if someone like CFC decides they want your system for themselves.

Did we put the work in? Most sov transfers take place through diplomacy, not through battles, ie the recent takeover of Gents space. The only work there is in transporting the structures needed to claim sov.

I'd sure be proud of failed logic too.
JITAALT808
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-05-28 19:40:10 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Sanguine wrote:
Tl;dr

I hate renter scum.


Because you are jealous or because you think you are better?


What do you think? Pleb.

I think I'd rather be a renter than a slave, Mr. Pet.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#31 - 2014-05-28 20:35:48 UTC
Renters... the only thing worse than NPC corps...




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
whysoserios Andrard
DJ Khaled Multiverse Wormhole Limited Company.org
#32 - 2014-06-11 12:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: whysoserios Andrard
I only came to this thread to see if I spot any victims of mine lol.

Truth be told if every corp in the renter alliances banded together they could have a shot at taking sov.

But due to them being in a oppressive state of mind they will pay the isk price to avoid any direct contact with any player pvp.



gf

I am the guy camping your gates and killing your renters in your system in your regions. 

Fighting is not mandatory but if you don't it will make me killing you easier.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-06-11 12:55:15 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Sanguine wrote:
Tl;dr

I hate renter scum.


Because you are jealous or because you think you are better?


What do you think? Pleb.



You tell me, ****

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2014-06-11 12:56:44 UTC
Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
whysoserios Andrard
DJ Khaled Multiverse Wormhole Limited Company.org
#35 - 2014-06-11 12:59:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances....


My point exactly my goontastic friend

I am the guy camping your gates and killing your renters in your system in your regions. 

Fighting is not mandatory but if you don't it will make me killing you easier.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2014-06-11 13:30:03 UTC
whysoserios Andrard wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances....

My point exactly my goontastic friend

I admit, it was more of a "the CFC is made up of structureshootbears" more than an endorsement of the pvp prowess of the average renter (and those people weren't average and certainly aren't renters anymore).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-06-11 15:56:34 UTC
I feel like a lot of ambition and motivation is surrendered to laziness because of the easy cash flow of renting. Kind of sucks the fun out of the game to me.

But then again, people have their reasons to do what they like. My only concern is that renting quells Null Sec activity and makes it dull. Hope this is not the case.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-06-11 15:58:43 UTC
Only because caps arent allowed to attack Empire space

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Baden Luskan
Freeworlds Collective
#39 - 2014-06-11 16:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Baden Luskan
TL;DR

Renting empires are designed to take as much ask away from them (rent) as possible so they do not threaten the sov holder's hold on power while letting the renters make just enough isk to allow them feel their toiling in that rented system is worth it compared to high sec.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-06-11 19:15:46 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
(my current FW alt flys a manticore and was doing those god-awful ECM and missile spewing Gallente FW missions, FarmMatar for me now lol).


Remind me to talk to you about Farmatar. I have an alt that could be in a stealth bomber in pretty short order, and that sounds like fun.


Prepare to be disappointed.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
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