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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#41 - 2014-06-11 12:38:34 UTC
OP, just drop to an NPC corp. "But then I have to pay 11% tax" I hear you think. True, but it still makes you 89% more ISK then you do now while this guy has an entire merc corp to feed, a merc corp that won't actually be able to do much if you drop to NPC. He will have paid the war fee for nothing, and pays for characters that can't engage anything. Thats a lot more ISK in upkeep then you lose by dropping to NPC corp. If you had an actual corp, a dec like this wouldn't hurt that much... is yours a tax haven?

The whole wardec / NPC corp thing is stupid in my eyes. The person you describe sounds like a cowardly hisec octopus, the perfect specimen to be engaging in activities such as these. Take some pride in being a lowsec / wspace survivalist, this guy wouldn't last a week outside of high security space.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#42 - 2014-06-11 15:46:37 UTC
Supplemented ISD Ezwal's cleanup since he missed a post. Carry on.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-06-11 16:00:22 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?


Set the price accordingly, make it impossible to wardec new characters for a given period of time.

I can see the potential for griefing and abuse using the current system, but i guess you don't have any problems with that.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#44 - 2014-06-11 16:03:38 UTC
dexington wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?


Set the price accordingly, make it impossible to wardec new characters for a given period of time.

I can see the potential for griefing and abuse using the current system, but i guess you don't have any problems with that.


You mean the problems he mentioned and how they are a problem?

No obviously not.

And since when has price EVER been a deterrent?

You want to replace or add to the current system by legalising harassment to individuals, if I apply the same logic to your point of view as you just applied to his

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-06-11 16:28:37 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine?

Explain to me how the alts in the Merc corp are safe please. And you will then understand the flaw in your argument.


Quite simple. they never log on, unless you are mining . they are also based In same system as NPC corp player. Means your mining is disrupted, and his isn't.

not really:
1) if you use alts on the same account then you cannot mine when your merc alt is active -> your and your enemy activity is disrupted
2) if you use dedicated account for your merc alt -> then you pay for it. Then your alt can be named 'other player' and there is nothing wrong here.

All in all: i see no problem here

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2014-06-11 16:34:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.


Why would you want folk to quit the game?

This is not a signature.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#47 - 2014-06-11 16:38:05 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.


Why would you want folk to quit the game?


He didnt say he'd want to

But fate often forces us to do things we dont want to do

For truth, justice and the Amarrican whey

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-06-11 16:41:13 UTC
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-06-11 16:52:53 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-06-11 16:53:29 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


To be fair, he didn't say he wants to shoot people with impunity - he wants to shoot A specific person, so simply leaving high sec couldn't possibly satisfy his desire unless the the specific person he wants to shoot also leaves high sec.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#51 - 2014-06-11 17:13:30 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad



You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.

You also not very good at checking out pilot history.


vOv
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#52 - 2014-06-11 17:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#53 - 2014-06-11 17:18:27 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.
You also not very good at checking out pilot history.
vOv



You aren't very good at thinking around a problem are you?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#54 - 2014-06-11 17:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad



You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.

You also not very good at checking out pilot history.


vOv
Look.

You have to read through your own post, but apply our way of thinking.

We play this game longer than you do.


So, now, without reading through the thread ...
... because, tbh, it's probably mostly crap anyway ...


.) You want to shoot somebody you believe you can't.

There's the first mistake. If you really want to punish him, then you can do that at the cost of sec status.
Instead of wasting 50 Million ISK for a wardec, you could suicide gank him probably
several times with that amount of money and he won't even see it coming !


.) The merc corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt ...

This reads as if you had an afk cloaker in the system, who does nothing,
but people stay inside the station without even trying to find out when he's actually at the keyboard.



The solution is offered free of charge.

Write down when the "mercs" are logged in. Check if you can play at other times, when they aren't.
That's a an advise you should always keep in mind. If you can change your playing time, then consider doing it.



So ... if the mercs are a bluff ... go mining. If you want to fight somebody, then fight the mercs.

If you need help, then ask.


If you whine about the irrelevant wardec mechanic AGAIN,
I promise you people will come and show you how safe the npc corp actually is.


The mechanic is here to stay.
Whining about it only gets you mocked and ridiculouedridiculed, (I just keep getting that wrong)
because you whine about something that's absolutely not keeping you from your goal.


If you want, I'll come check out your situation. Consider it.

And remember that I don't need your help to kill you. I don't need to pretend to want to investigate your situation,
because I don't need your help finding you and killing you.


It's an just offer. You may have a good spirit not yet broken through.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#55 - 2014-06-11 17:28:47 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:

You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.


Look, 'Turbobaby.' You're bad at EVE, and bad at problem solving. Really bad. Apparently telling people that they're bad at playing a game is an insult these days, so I have no doubt that RoboMod will be along soon to soothe your feelings by removing this post.

In the meantime, vacillate upon the fact that there is absolutely nothing at all stopping you from attacking and ganking every single one of these people except your own lack of willingness to do so. Your inability to make a simple choice is not CCP's problem; it's yours.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#56 - 2014-06-11 17:29:27 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


You aint very good at reading are you? I want to WD the person who WD us. but cant. He hides behind NPC Corp using a his Merc Corp for the WD. The Merc Corp is basically a bluff that will disrupt any mining of ice in that system.
You also not very good at checking out pilot history.
vOv



You aren't very good at thinking around a problem are you?




What I have to leave corp? suicide gank with all the downsides of that action? wait for eternity baiting? run with tail between my legs? Yeah I see no downside to all that at all.

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.
Solecist Project
#57 - 2014-06-11 17:32:21 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
What I have to leave corp? suicide gank with all the downsides of that action? wait for eternity baiting? run with tail between my legs? Yeah I see no downside to all that at all.

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.
Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

You can kill him, but you simply choose not to.
That's your thing, not anyone elses.


That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#58 - 2014-06-11 17:32:52 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.


He's not disrupting you; you are. Your reaction to this situation (drop everything and cry holy hell on the forums) is entirely your own.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#59 - 2014-06-11 17:33:24 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. and suicide gank him?


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has

Sing it with me..."YOU CANT ALWAAAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT....YOU CANT ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANNNT..ALL THE TIME"
This guy didnt war-dec you. He paid a merc corp to do it. If you dont like being WD then stop doing those things that get you WD or join an npc.
Solecist Project
#60 - 2014-06-11 17:34:59 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:

Whatever I do, I cannot disrupt him with the impunity and immunity that he gets, while disrupting me.


He's not disrupting you; you are. Your reaction to this situation (drop everything and cry holy hell on the forums) is entirely your own.
Would you accept a young and inexperienced minmatar sibling of mine in your corp?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia