EVE General Discussion

Having a good region does not equal renting. In fact, if renting of space is offensive to you, and you believe in strong alliances making use of space for their own members, Deklein is actually a prime example of exactly the conditions you want to see occur across the whole galaxy - an alliance controlling its own space, and having it utilised by its own members. In fact, the sec status issue comes in to play here - Deklein is worth using as it is non-garbage sec status. Compare that to some of the regions who were hit far harder by the anomaly nerf, and you can see some of the reasons why alliances are less inclined to utilise such space.

Yes, we rent out space now, but that was very much a case of reacting to a changing nullsec landscape that would have seen those who didn't exploit renters fall behind those who do.

Translation: We, the Elite PvP players of NullSec, are entitled to free PvP ships. Please consider that it is below our dignity to actually have to spend time grinding ISK for replacement ships.

This is actually one of the very few posts in this thread that demonstrates any real understanding of the issue. Side note: if so many players can get it wrong as evidenced by this thread, is it any wonder that the developers could get it wrong too?

The moongoo nerf was only the last (and biggest) nail in a coffin that was in the making for a long time. I will never EVER not be amused by this DEV blog:

Thing is, it's not that what our CCP Overlords (of whom I ,for one, welcome) were unreasonable in what they were thinking. It was very reasonable to believe that the system upgrades scheme (in which any system could be upgraded to be as good as any other) was bad.

But it was naive for them to believe that changing it would add conflict when in fact it started the ball rolling to the worst thing that could ever happen to EVE Online: CCP's anomaly (and other) changes, culminating in the moon goo nerf, made PEACE break out lol.

CCP sometimes doesn't understand human nature (evidence: monocle gate lol). In this case they did not understand that in general, people do not FIGHT over something they can simply BUY (rent). I'd say the only real way to create conflict in a game like that is to have resources that are best acquired by fighting and that some how are not that easy for people to just buy.

Although your first section was correct, this part is not. The sad fact is, with the current Supercapital arms-race, no amount of money is enough. Just having enough for a solid SRP, and a leg-up for burgeoning cap and supercap pilots isn't going to cut it anymore (its why we had to get in to the rental game too).

If you want to own space, and intend to hold it past the next time someone does the "just deploying for goodfights...err, hang on, you weren't supposed to win any fights or stop fighting, you've done it now, we are gonna grind everything!", you need Supercapitals. And not just having lots is enough, as the Russians found out - you need to have an apocalyptic locust swarm of several hundred of the things, available at a moments notice, in every time zone. If not, your "large enough" supercapital fleet is going to be picked apart by cursory drops, and ravaged by defections to the winning side, until you might as well not bothered having any in the first place.

If you need to compete with that (and anyone wanting to stake their flag in null has to), there is never going to be any state of "too much isk". If the guys at the top still need to keep pushing for more and more isk, they can't allow even a meager trickle to escape to anyone else. It's sad but true. To deal with the rental "problem" (or make its need redundant), this is the problem that has to be dealt with first.

You're the type of person that thinks a job is a "right" in real life, aren't you?

Apocalyptic swarm of dead guys in coffins. Sounds like World of Darkness, honestly.

How terrifying, when even blobbers get their hands on supercapitals.

Black Legion constantly incaps a particular jump bridge. I think they know the one.

MOA steals from ESSes.

Gevlon Goblin paid some guys to reinforce POCOs

The hugh amounts of isk that came out of the technetium "failure" led to a so rapidly increase of power & thus powerprojection that newcommers dont stand a chance anymore and space is devided.

This rental situation is a direct result (symptome) of this. Because all the space is devided and rented out accourdanly, it has become a closed circuit (where it was previous a open circuit); easy devidable, controllable and fixed prized rentable. And thus easy isk & power printing for the ruling class.

It is like a real economic in miniversion where the ruling class are the elitist, bankers & multinationals.

A rent monopaly on the rental prizes are making renting "the new thing" but it is merly a symptome of a serious problem. The butterflyeffect is stong in this one, and my opinion is that it exist party by evolution and partly by bad game desighn inplenmentation. Therefor the problem should partly be fixed by CCP intervinance.

I think you know better than that, Ramona. Billy may be lacking in the finer points of grammar, but his posts do usually contain a point.

That's true

A strange, mishappen point, but a point none the less