Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, I've tried to suggest giving people useful things like pretrained characters or attribute remap packs or free unlimited remaps for a period of time for new accounts, but nobody appreciated the thought and shot every suggestion down. So I tried to suggest something with limited use like a titan used to mine stuff in one system. And from previuos posts I gathered that some people just like looking at their ships. They don't even have to show them off to anyone else to feel good about themselves.

EVE is about flying in spaceships. Anything you do is about getting ships or using them.

An achievement system that gives only points on some UI interface would be ignored, unless it somehow give ships. Now giving useful ships would motivate people to leave nullsec and come highsec. So nothing else left than giving useless ships.

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So, dear Gevlon: This is what it was all about. You want people to leave null and uh, go to empire space!

Let me rephrase. You want the implementation of useless money sinks, because you think they'd make people want to move from null to empire space.

I am not even going to bother telling you why this is a ridiculous idea which will never get taken seriously. But this line of thinking and inability to comprehend essential concepts is why you are a failure at EVE that has yet to achieve any goal that involves other players in a direct way, despite having spent years at the game already.

Although for laughs, I rewrote your post as if it was related to World of Warcraft rather than EVE.

World of Warcraft is about doing quests, instances and raids. Anything you do is about doing quests, instances or raids.

An achievement system that gives only points on some UI interface would be ignored, unless it somehow give (sic) items from raids.. Now (sic) giving useful items would motivate people to fish more instead of doing raids. So nothing else left (sic) than giving useless items.

Fact: Achievement system, according to Blizzard data, is not ignored in any shape or form in World of Warcraft.

Eve has potential and should aim to become much more than that. It was only about ships for more thant 10 years - a bit too much. At least it needs some complemental planes of players' intercations, different from core gameplay. It always was just "make things to shoot in space", "sell things to shoot in space" and "use those things to shoot someone in space", plus some social component, and probably it's time to add something completely new to this combination.

I can't agree with that. One of the main reasons Incarna and WiS failed is that aside from some new locations and fancy stuff they brought no meaningfull gameplay. With such approach to implementation it will definetly be ignored again. So, the answer is simple as that - that social platform have to be universally accessible, intresting and sometimes even unavoidable part of Eve world.

The first could be achieved with assistance from fruits of technological advancements - in 21k century you don't need to attend station always in flesh, the combination of VR and holographic technologies will do the trick for you; so one can easly roam the station lobby in some neat small window (which is part of standart UI of game client, so no irritating ALT+TAB stuff) while at the same time ratting in belts, mining or sitting cloacked in some relic site waiting for his victim to arrive. Some additional incentives to visit it in flesh could be added to flavor/spice this approach, though. Like small and hard to achieve possibilitiy to forge such "virtual manifestation" and impersonate somebody, so if you are attending some secret meeting or plan to participate in important deal, or are heading to gambling room with pretty high stakes, a holographic image is no go.

There were many proposals regarding the second one. Gambling integrated into the game's engine, what would allowed such otherwise unattainable (or pretty hard to pull without breaking the EULA) and awesome bids like "severe loss of sp or even death of a character VS claim in a region" or "POS ownership VS CEO rights", besides, of course, more traditional ones. Or some duelling mechanics which are completely independent from "spaceships in space" part of the game - and even some tools to reach those who never leave the station using it (like some kind of assasinations). Outposts and conquerable stations could be enhanced with upgrades adding voicechat functionalities for its lobbies, so people usually separated and spread throughout their corporate/alliance voicechat servers/channels could enjoy borderless social environment for some time, if they wish. Some securtiy monitor in a lobby, showing general security statistics in nearby systems, snippets of warnings from some regional security channels and some outdoor camera's feedback from the station undock area, which in times of undock camps would gather around itself those who got locked in here. This is not to mention trivial minigames you could enjoy there (with access to enhanced bidding options mentioned above, so if you feel like playing "Go of death", you are welcome)

As for third, some of the important ingame operations could be now bound to WiS content and will force you to visit some station in flesh - creating an opportunities for someone to intercept you here. Like, assets of selected [pretty valuable] types changing hands, or aquiring some access codes (like some passwords to POSes, or access tokens to jump bridges) would force you to attend some corp terminal or office in flesh (say, for the sake of biometric authentications) - and allow other party somehow sneak there to take them from you by force, or just silently interfere with your connection and sniff it from the line. Moreover, aforementioned gambling things would required to buy some casion chips which could be also forced from you by some hijacker.

By having all those three components in place (and some others that will spring to life in time) we can make stations crouded with people enough to make those social things (achivements' indicatiors, fancy clothes, may be even some twisted alien-looking pets of sort, lol) actually work and have some value.

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Well, seeing as the ONE instance that CCP has tried taking the core EVE gameplay (Internet Spaceships) in a different direction (WiS) ended up with them totally messing it up, and having massive problems with their customers (Incarna) ...

... "don't **** with the core gameplay" is quite a valid approach.


They are simply of no good and can't be compared to Eve in any way. And the idea is not making "not Eve", but creating additional planes of players' interaction, and enhance social related content - what, in fact, is "enrich" and "expand", not a "remake".[/quote]


Well, that's your opinion. I happened to enjoy Dust for what it was, though haven't had a chance to try Valkyrie yet.

However, my point was that rather than trying to cram "not eve" stuff into eve (i.e. "dogfighting", "first person shooting", etc.), CCP should probably make them as side projects.

If these side projects kick off to a point where rolling them all into the same client makes sense (and is technically feasible) ... all the better.

Can you even somehow explain the contradictory statement that, despite there are so much "spaceship" games out there which combine the fighting in space with WiS-resembling features, in Eve this combination somehow can't be refered to as "core gameplay"? Why? Because it wasn't there in 2003? Well, a ton of other things that now are weren't too then, what now?

Outposts in Eve are pretty useless things beyond sov mechanics. You can't do much here aside from hiding there from someone or building there something. What they need to build it for? Most of highsec dwellers don't want to go to nulls to hide here in outpost built by them. And they are not enough customizable at the moment to make them as cool as officer stuff fitted and flashy painted raven. You got the point.

Thats a matter of proper optimization, not a inherent WiS problem.

It's actually a main point - it must have these to be meaningfull. If you scroll the page up a bit you can find my outlines on some of them.
Edited: here you go

Thats depends on what to consider as "being in hangar" taking into account that you are able to get remotely from any place in the region here. Well, we could allow anyone to "go" there by means of holographic image even from hangar if it what concerns you. I haven't gave too much thought to it as its somehow pointelss atm, as CCP claimed it's not their priority for years to come.

If you are against any form of "walking capsuleer" experience, than how, from your point of view, "Walking in station" could be implemented?

If you are concerned of will it be mandatory to participate or not, then no, most of the times. Aside from the aforementioned special cases, at least.