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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#21 - 2014-06-11 01:37:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
There is always a throat that can be cut if you can find it

And you can hide your own if you learn how

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#22 - 2014-06-11 01:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Mike Azariah wrote:
Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

Well, cupcake, this is YOUR lucky day. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

m


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-06-11 03:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Haedonism Bot wrote:


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.


Fix it in what way, pray tell? Reinforce it so any corp may pay and extra ttax to be immune to wardecs?

Remove it so hisec is safer?

Remove NPC corp safeties so you can gank them right out of the academy as they run their New Player Experience?

I have heard all sorts of fixes and none of them seem to agree. So which is your flavour? Safer or more deadly?

I am the hisec CSM and I do listen , , , and answer.

So what is the goal, what are we trying for? Should PvE activities exist at all. Should we go whole hog PvP and just shut down Hisec completely? Is there a middle ground and are we on it right now?

m

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-06-11 03:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Haedonism Bot wrote:

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.


The words security and war should never be in the same sentence.

Completely remove wardecs and we can fight it out in low, null, w-holes without all these complications, in places where security and war aren't used in the same sentence.

Highsec can have the police and criminals, like most civilized places, but sanctioned war? .... don't think so.

There, I've solved your problem.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#25 - 2014-06-11 03:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Mike Azariah wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Aren't you supposed to be the highsec CSM? Wardec evasion is a highsec problem. Fix it.


Fix it in what way, pray tell? Reinforce it so any corp may pay and extra ttax to be immune to wardecs?

Remove it so hisec is safer?

Remove NPC corp safeties so you can gank them right out of the academy as they run their New Player Experience?

I have heard all sorts of fixes and none of them seem to agree. So which is your flavour? Safer or more deadly?

I am the hisec CSM and I do listen , , , and answer.

So what is the goal, what are we trying for? Should PvE activities exist at all. Should we go whole hog PvP and just shut down Hisec completely? Is there a middle ground and are we on it right now?

m



So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2014-06-11 04:02:10 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine?

Explain to me how the alts in the Merc corp are safe please. And you will then understand the flaw in your argument.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#27 - 2014-06-11 04:08:02 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


So you think that me and my 20+ Alts, sitting in an NPC corp, Can create a MERC corp, to bully miners out of the system. While remaining safe in the NPC corp, is fine?

Explain to me how the alts in the Merc corp are safe please. And you will then understand the flaw in your argument.


Quite simple. they never log on, unless you are mining . they are also based In same system as NPC corp player. Means your mining is disrupted, and his isn't.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#28 - 2014-06-11 04:10:34 UTC
So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine.
Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships.

The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#29 - 2014-06-11 04:24:21 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine.
Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships.

The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest.


You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#30 - 2014-06-11 04:26:51 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.

No, I'm not missing the point. The whole point of bait ships is that they mine at the same time as being bait. Especially if you use a fleet of skiffs & procurers with an Orca or two to support them.
Or you could simply drop to an NPC corp yourself and be safe from the Merc corp.

You are missing the point and not availing yourself of your options. The system is fine.
In-Game Tools Please
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-06-11 04:53:38 UTC
Respond by creating an alt and bumping them endlessly as they try to mine. If you have friends in-game, get them to join in on the fun.

Keep doing it. Be relentless. Inform them if they ever wardec you again, you will bump them until they quit.
You also have the option to gank them. If you cannot do it yourself (should be no problem with Retrievers), hire out.

What you should not do is expect CCP to adjust game mechanics to compensate for your current inability or lack of desire to engage these players using the current, working game mechanics.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#32 - 2014-06-11 05:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

m


You mis understand. first and formost I am a miner. I also lived in WH null and low. This guy can WD any corp entering his "territory", with impunity and immunity. Also he WD us with his merc corp, but does not log on his merc corp. I know he is the source of the WD, I just want to exact some retribution with the same balance as he does himself.


Do what he did - hire a merc corp to war dec the merc corp he hired... deepest pockets wins.

Barring that - get an alt into his NPC corp and bump him every chance you get. Be sure to pass on "War Dec me, please" on every pass.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#33 - 2014-06-11 10:49:49 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-06-11 10:57:53 UTC
Wardec evasion is apparently a problem

CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem

How do both of these problems exist at the same time?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-06-11 11:36:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Wardec evasion is apparently a problem

CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem

How do both of these problems exist at the same time?


Because the two sides are so diametrically opposed that a compromise is not possible.

Some people want to shoot at other people. Some people want no one, ever, to shoot at other people. Clearly, they cannot both get what they want. CCP has been caught in the middle of these two philosophies for some time now.

An "everybody wins!" solution is, to be quite frank, impossible.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2014-06-11 11:38:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Wardec evasion is apparently a problem

CONCORD evasion through Wardecs is apparently a problem

How do both of these problems exist at the same time?


Because the two sides are so diametrically opposed that a compromise is not possible.

Some people want to shoot at other people. Some people want no one, ever, to shoot at other people. Clearly, they cannot both get what they want. CCP has been caught in the middle of these two philosophies for some time now.

An "everybody wins!" solution is, to be quite frank, impossible.


Then punish everyone equally and excessively

Its the fairest and most final solution

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2014-06-11 11:43:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
final solution


Lol.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-06-11 11:44:35 UTC
OP, if you want to do nasty things to people on a regular basis, get out of highsec.

If you're more of a peaceful guy that just occasionally loses his temper, stay where you are and buy some butt ointment.

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Solecist Project
#39 - 2014-06-11 11:48:51 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, if you want to do nasty things to people on a regular basis, get out of highsec.

If you're more of a peaceful guy that just occasionally loses his temper, stay where you are and buy some butt ointment.

I doubt he actually wants to put himself into danger.
His targets are miners!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-06-11 11:51:45 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
So bait them with a miner, mine in procurers, mine in skiffs, fit warp disruptors, and profit from his ships loot as well as his tears at the same time as you mine.
Or just mine in a hulk as bait then drop with combat ships.

The alts in the merc corp are not safe in the slightest.


You miss the point entirely. While we are waiting to bait him. We are not mining are we. Then what if he decides not to take the bait. But carries on mining himself. Same for anyone this stunt is pulled on.


Mining isn't taxed by the set corporation tax.
You wish to avoid getting wardecced.

What if you just drop to an NPC corp?