Player Features and Ideas Discussion

actualy if you wonna do decent with the tengu, it need perfect cap skill too

Okay I can follow that, but I was trying to tell that drones are a weapon you have on the side (big guns and drones) missiles are your main weapon, on your ship. you don't have big guns and zome missiles on the side, which in my humble opinion makes Missiles a primairy weapon system especialy to Caldari who have more missiles ships than hybrid ships and Navy Faction ships are missile ships.

I Agree that the hml don't need attention, though the large platforms would need some attention, the Ham's and Light should be open for debate.

P.S. I understand that those skills are usefull to have anyway, though that doesn't mean you need to train them, not to mention those minimums don't let you fit it in a way that would impress anyone.

So the argument here is What?

Caldari have a problem with types of ships?
Caldari have to few missile boats?
Caldari what?

Nope afraid i do not see it. They have more main weapon ships than other races imo.
Complaints from caldari pilots who lack hybrid skills are funny.

Gal pilots Have to train Rails, Blasters and Drones.
Minmatar Have to train Missiles, Project, ECM and some drones. armour and shield
Amarr have to train Lasers, Armour, missiles and some drones.
Caldari have to train Missiles, Rails and shield tank. and least drones of all races.


Get over it.

arggh double post

Rails should be the secondary weapon system for Caldari.
Just give rails to Gallente! That's their weapon system! Every other race has one weapon system. Caldari has 2 weapon systems. On top of that, niether of them is very versatile, the basic Caldari method of combat is to sit behind strong shields and pump out missiles. if other races get missile boats why can't Caldari get blasterboats or laser platforms?
Caldari need missiles as a FACTION WEAPON. Ammar have Lasers, Minnie has Guns, Gallente has Blasters, but everyone has missiles.
CAN I fit launchers onto a Rokh? Yes
But whats the point if it's just another sniper platform with no missile bonuses?
Any good missile boat for Calderi takes excruciatingly long training.
Nighthawk, Rattlesnake, Cerberus.
Why was the drake a success because it was a missile boat!
Why was the rave a success? It was a missile boat.
Although rarely used people call the Cerberus a very good ship because of it's missiles.
Why was the manticore so good? It was a missile boat(and while stealth bombers are usable by all races the manticore is most used because why train missiles to fly one ship as amarr or minnie?)

All railboats are very situation specific to long range engagements. Rokh sucks outside of sniping or very high SP blaster fit, Ferox is beyond a joke,
When was the last time you saw a railboat and thought "If he locks me I COULD be obliterated in less than ten seconds" probably never because while extremely useful railboats are solely support ships. If a Megathron locks you within 50 km you gtfoasap, if a Rokh does the same (without adequate backup) you laugh and warp out or just close the gap on the slow moving beast.
I'm not saying to redo the rokh.
I'm saying just give missile users something to work with besides the standard Raven/drake/tengu.

Moved from Ships and Modules.

Its true for each weapon system Caldari have 2 completely seperate weapon systems other races have 2 weapon systems but they aren't that dfferent so many of their skills are the same. Large t2 Laser whether pulse or beam wil both require Large Energy weapon Skills but if you want to switch from pulse to beam you have most of the skills needed except for the 3 specialization skills.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_Heavy_Pulse_Laser_II
to
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_Heavy_Beam_Laser_II

The transition is fairly basic between pulse and beam requirements.



missiles have low requirements but the transition from missile to rails is a bit much
Not to mention having to train for different ammo types FOF and t2
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Siege_Missile_Launcher_II
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/350mm_Railgun_II


Caldari have to start from the ground up

The problem is that CCP needs to give hybrids a focus once again, so those newer Caldari players don't get some false idea in their head that missiles are a primary weapon system.

Spoken like someone who never uses guns.

explosion radius= dealt with the same as tracking when figuring amount to hit = same issue with gunnery
ammo types = same with gunnery except can't be switched... so thanks for giving me another point
target priority.. REALLY? You think this is MISSILE SPECIFIC?

And no, you can't do ANY base damage.. what the hell are you talking about? There's no "base" it's a chance to hit based upon every little variable between ywo ships... just TO HIT which missiles do EVERY TIME.

Missiles are easy mode. Why? Because during a fight, your explosion radius can't be changed. You can't use your skill to do anything unless you click another module to paint your target.

I'm sick of morons comparing the fact missiles use explosion radius to calculate hit damge as if it's some kind of hurdle you need to think about when in combat. IT'S NOT. It just means you won't hit a little ship for full damage. NOTHING in your skillful little mind will change that save the big red TP button- not your transversal, not your speed. It's your unmodifiable-during-combat explosion VELOCITY, and even then it's nothing about YOU but the person you are fighting.

Missiles are easy mode. You fire and hope they hit for more damage than is being dealt to you. Nothing YOU DO modifies this during a fight unless you forget to activate your target painter.


You're an idiot.

Now go away.

Well then CCP either needs to state CLEARLY that missiles are NOT a primary weapon, or just delete missiles because their useless and noone likes them. /sarcasm.


All people say is TRAIN MISSILES AND GET A DRAKE
So I spent six months training to fly a drake properly with all the engineering/electronics/cpu/powergrid upgrades only to find out that missiles aren't my race's primary weapon.
Maybe if the ferox didn't suck **** I'd of chosen differently.
I'm angry because Caldari needs to be rails or missiles and that any moron should be able to figure out whether Caldari is rails or missiles.

From my perspective guns are ez-mode.
Kite and shoot amirite?
No thats not right but I'm not going to dismiss the weapon system just because some people use easy tactics.
Missiles are fine as is, what I want are some options with which to use missiles ie maybe a fast ship with less tank.
There's also no need for insults.
So how about instead of whining because you think missiles are easy and boring you propose a change to make them fun or interesting or hard or whatever.