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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#1 - 2014-06-10 23:53:12 UTC
One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-06-10 23:58:43 UTC
Way too many issues with wardecs on pilots.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2014-06-11 00:04:27 UTC
If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#4 - 2014-06-11 00:11:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.


It could be players in an NPC corp only, getting the "individual" WD. Would stop players hiding behind the NPC immunity.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#5 - 2014-06-11 00:14:10 UTC
You could always make an NPC alt and get some buddies to go suicide gank his charon. Just a thought.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-06-11 00:22:50 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If that ever actually happens, I would open a business to wardec people into quitting the game.

Nevermind the shenanigans I could get up to with logi.


It could be players in an NPC corp only, getting the "individual" WD. Would stop players hiding behind the NPC immunity.


If you want people to stop doing that, then just make the entire NPC corp wardeccable, with the consequence that you be locked out of their stations simultaneously.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-06-11 00:24:45 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
You could always make an NPC alt and get some buddies to go suicide gank his charon. Just a thought.

when the only viable mechanic left is "lul get an alt" and/or "SUICIDE GANK" then theres a problem that needs to be solved. namely a way to harass these people that doesnt involve either making a disposable alt no one wants and/or taking your sec for no reason other than someone else being a ****.

again, there should be a way to punish people for being dicks, not having to punish yourself because they are being dicks.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-11 00:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#9 - 2014-06-11 00:33:25 UTC
Just get a BS and bump his freighter to the next belt over. Get some friends and spread out the whole mining operation. No need to wardec. He was a ass to you without one, why do you need a wardec all of a sudden to be an ass back? Creativity exhausted at ctrl-click, F1?

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-11 00:41:09 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Just get a BS and bump his freighter to the next belt over. Get some friends and spread out the whole mining operation. No need to wardec. He was a ass to you without one, why do you need a wardec all of a sudden to be an ass back? Creativity exhausted at ctrl-click, F1?

Set grouped weapons to f1. Lock shoot drag scram to f1 and press f1 again, do the same for web. Really eve combat is more complicated because you need to drag your basic ewar to f1 to use them. Of course only pros from RTS games can do those in a reasonable amount of time.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#11 - 2014-06-11 00:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Mike Azariah wrote:
Nice, you managed to turn the normal complaint on its head.

NPC corps make you unable to play the way you want to play. Just like WARDECS do to the PvE players. You want something to make it easier for you to play your way and shoot people.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Lowsec and Nullsec await your presence where you can shoot without ANY of that dec and npc garbage. Oh your standings may shift a little but for a big shooty person like you that will just add to the fun, right?

There are places where you can shoot. There are other places where you cans hoot but there will be consequences.

Your choice, change locale or accept consequences.

But lordy, Individual wardecs? Can't see the potential for griefing and abuse?

m


You mis understand. first and formost I am a miner. I also lived in WH null and low. This guy can WD any corp entering his "territory", with impunity and immunity. Also he WD us with his merc corp, but does not log on his merc corp. I know he is the source of the WD, I just want to exact some retribution with the same balance as he does himself.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2014-06-11 00:59:39 UTC
So bait his WD corp out with a bait ship then warp in your support to kill it. Or use your mining fleet of skiffs with their epic damage bonus to kill him for bonus trolling points. If he dares stick his head out anyway.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#13 - 2014-06-11 01:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
malcovas Henderson wrote:
One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. and suicide gank him?
Amenity Project
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-06-11 01:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. and suicide gank him?

The attractive lady above me is right.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#15 - 2014-06-11 01:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
One day I was in an Ice field, ratting as one does. When my thrasher's path was blocked by a Charon. and quite a few Retrievers. This happened several times in succession. I presume the Charon was deflected some inconvenienced distance, because in local threats of WD's where ushered.

Now this guy has obviously got a merc corp. He's enlisted this corp to WD us. No problem there, except they're never online. What I do have a problem with, is this guy hides behind an NPC corp, I cannot give him the same in retaliation.

CCP. Is it possible please, to implement so that you can also WD an individual. NPC corp or not. This would give me the satisfaction of being able to retaliate


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. and suicide gank him?


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#16 - 2014-06-11 01:17:34 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has


Because you made the conscious choice to join a player corp. Then you decided it would be fun to wander through a belt bumping miners. Those were your actions; these are your consequences.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#17 - 2014-06-11 01:19:39 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has


Because you limit yourself to what he chooses to do

You do not explore the possibilities

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#18 - 2014-06-11 01:31:32 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has


Because you made the conscious choice to join a player corp. Then you decided it would be fun to wander through a belt bumping miners. Those were your actions; these are your consequences.



I am happy with the consequences as a rule. I just find it a little bit nonsensical that a player can and will force a WD with impunity and immunity. I just think that an individual WD for NPC players would be a win win situation. Stops players hiding behind them.

OFC it would have it's limitations. No player under a certain age can be WD. Cost could be high. No renewal. 1 per week. only individuals can issue it, not corps.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#19 - 2014-06-11 01:33:14 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Why can't I just WD him, and have the same retaliatory options he has


Because you made the conscious choice to join a player corp. Then you decided it would be fun to wander through a belt bumping miners. Those were your actions; these are your consequences.



I am happy with the consequences as a rule. I just find it a little bit nonsensical that a player can and will force a WD with impunity and immunity. I just think that an individual WD for NPC players would be a win win situation. Stops players hiding behind them.

OFC it would have it's limitations. No player under a certain age can be WD. Cost could be high. No renewal. 1 per week. only individuals can issue it, not corps.


You cannot be harmed by a WD you do not wish to perpetrate

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#20 - 2014-06-11 01:35:11 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
immunity.


He's not immune to anything. You simply lack the fortitude to do what the situation necessitates.
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