Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm sorry that you don't understand that 50/50 in text doesn't sound like "fifty-fifty" spoken. Many things don't translate well into text.

5x man x5 thing is pretty simple, If you run a mission with 5 people you split the payout 5 ways. If you run a 5man incursion with 5 people, each person gets 100% of the payout. If you run the 5 man incursion with 4 people each person gets like 80% of the payout, so L4/5 = mission split 5 ways and 5man incursion x5 = 5 man incursion multiplied by 5 people. Pretty simple.


You missed the point. If you fleet for missions, incursions and ratting, you don't have to worry about the trust issues. Everything is split up automatically. For mining though, there is an extra reliance on the good intentions of others. The rewards for fleeting up are minimal. I'm not a solo player, i'm not anti-social, I just prefer to be in control of my income on my own. No other profession has to worry about something like this.

First of all, being in a fleet and going off and doing your own thing does no make up "group activity". It's just solo activity in a chatroom really.

Second, just exactly how much more do you believe that this mining group of trusted people make above them not being together? Maybe if it's one person with a single account it could almost be substantial, but as you increase your toon count it really becomes negligible. And having to put faith in someone for a negligible gain will not justify anyone to grouping. And if a solo player can get boosts they're most likely going to use a Retriever or Mackinaw so they don't have to worry about hauling at all so they really won't gain a substantial benefit from group mining either.

Maybe you could could come up with some numbers for us in regards to these "rewards" that you keep insisting are available.

Also, I'm not sure about your fleet history thing, i'll have to check that out. But at the very least, it'll be a huge pain in the ass to keep track of. And i don't think i'll have the motivation to make a 3rd party program just to keep track of something that rarely happens and has little benefit when it does.

And yet this is one way it has been translated into text for decades.



So what if there is extra reliance of the good intention of others? u mean like sharing loot/objectives in missions or exploration?





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i also forgot to mention, if u look at the payouts for 5x man incursions ull see they are pretty low.
so 5 ppl running level 4 missions will make them more money each.

Bah ive updated my eft and cant get a hold of the old one unless theres a way to roll back.

anyways, ppl complain that the hulk couldnt tank and mine, but what weve both shown is that it could, and when u compare my hulk to ur mack they were pretty similar in both yield and tank. i'll still say tanked hulks were useful, and defy that saying so demonstrates any lack of experience.

If u still want to argue that 'Many gankers has started to fit ECCM' i'd like to see those many mails. u can mail them to this char. zkillboard suggests to me that ECCM'd miner gankers are rare, if they exist at all.

note to ISD:
its not a KB link for tears, but if u must delete it, id appreciate u just remove linkage.

Daichi's fitting for hulks gives 21.3k EHP. I suggest you go look at that one.

Regarding ganking I am contracted by smaller miners to remove large ISBoxer mining fleets from clearing belts in an unsustainable manner. Ganking is used as a last resort after other less destructive methods are employed. Once ganking is employed it invariably attracts attention of less savoury people than I too these unsustainable miners. In the latest case numerous wardecs were deployed by others and the ISBoxer lost 1.3 billion ISK worth of ships in one day.

It is best to mine sustainably.

Using MTUs in that fashion can attract attention. I believe they can be destroyed without incurring the wrath of CONCORD.

so when u say many, u mean once in a specific case?

seeing that in both isanamo and kino, no recent gank have cats with eccm. i dnt think u need to worry about it becoming wide spread.

looks like gankers will ONLY fit them when there are white knights. not when barges fit them.
Maybe if more barges start using ecm drones then gankers will start using eccm. but looks like people think its not as useful as ive found it to be.

Nah, the truth is, its rare for gankers to fit ECCM. anyone can see that.

using ECM drones is useful. Certainly far more useful than combat drones, of which u only need one per belt for clearing rats.

edit- even in high sec ore sites, u only need one hob goblin in ur entire fleet to clear rats.

I see, it has come to this. The nuclear option.

Load Nova Torpedos.

Which sec status the miners are sitting in is also a factor, of course. Killing guys via gank is easier in lower sec areas, though -obviously- the higher sec areas have less of the nice ores and are probably stripmined out in short order.

Risk reward, what a thing

What are the numbers like vs a Thrasher?

What are the numbers like on a Skiff in comparison?