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Six years of Caldari Prime liberation from Gallentean occupation.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-10 14:27:16 UTC
Citizens of the State!

Six years ago our State has finally risen from the knees, making all us proud to be Caldari. Former State, barely managing to hold its sovereignty against treacherous Federation, has grown up and evolved. Not only we gained real meritocracy, but we have managed to return our ancestral homeworld from gallentean occupation, and we were even able to dictate our will to crumbling Federation.

Six years ago the whole State was united with a single goal. This day there weren't patriots, practicals and liberals. There were Caldari, who all were fighting together as a single nation, to return our home back. All this was made possible by cunning and daring planning of a single man, after whom all the Caldari have followed willingly, like in the time of the old Raata Empire.

And with blood and sweat, the Caldari Prime was ours once again. Many peoples have payed their lives for this, but it wasn't in vain. The goal was achieved and their heroism will be remembered in thousands of years! And we, who are living today, here and now, shouldn't forget our heroes. We must not discard this advance they made, paying their lives, not for their corporations, not for their political block, but for whole State and whole Caldari nation.

It is a treason not only to the State, but to our ancestors, our heroes, our history and our spirit, to allow Gallenteans to occupy our world once again, even smallest part of it. Thus the treaties that Reppola signs with Federation, are anti-Caldari, since they are targeted to prevent us from taking what is ours.

But gallenteans have shown us their face already: it was the face of Admiral Noir, who rammed Malkalen station, it was face of gallentean gangsters on Caldari Prime, who were writing "Exterminate all Caldari", and it is a face of President Foiritan, who was smiling like nothing were happening. Those of us, who can think, will see the real actions behind sweet lying gallentean words.

And it is our duty, citizens, to clean our homeworld from gallentean oppression, occupation and infestation. Now, while the CEP is reluctant to give Federation proper answer for attacking our homeworld once again, our hands are bound, but our minds and hearts are not!

Let us today remember all fallen heroes, including our former executor Tibus Heth (who died recently to a Sansha incursion, but without whom our homeworld would be still occupied by gallentean oppressors) and give them thanks for restoring the State, returning us our stolen homeworld and giving all us hope for brighter future.

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2014-06-10 15:07:56 UTC
Ah to be young and naive. To still believe that all battlefields are martial and all wars are only won and lost through force of arms.
Of course I am referring to one that does not understand that while Heth may have started the restoration, the meritocracy wasn't fully realized until his removal.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-10 15:22:37 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Ah to be young and naive. To still believe that all battlefields are martial and all wars are only won and lost through force of arms.
Of course I am referring to one that does not understand that while Heth may have started the restoration, the meritocracy wasn't fully realized until his removal.


Just this morning in fact, I was musing on the notion that if Heth had founded the New Meritocracy, retaken the Homeworld and then promptly disbanded the CPD and retired, he'd have gone down in history as one of the greatest Caldari to ever live.

Funny how overreaching ambition can change things, ain't it?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2014-06-10 15:25:50 UTC
It's my hope that the excesses and missteps of his later years will eventually be put into perspective so that we can celebrate the undoubtedly great things he did for us.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2014-06-10 15:31:35 UTC
Indeed. I have to take a step back from myself lately and rethink Heth. I've thought he was scum since he co-opted news of Otro Gariushi's death to burn down the warpath, and his actions around the time of the battle for the Shiigeru left a bad taste in my mouth, but I have to accept that his actions between those events were much better. While I wish things hadn't turned out quite like they have, I am not sure we'd have a single sliver of home without Heth leading troops there, and the Caldari leadership needed a good shakeup.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2014-06-10 15:35:18 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Indeed. I have to take a step back from myself lately and rethink Heth. I've thought he was scum since he co-opted news of Otro Gariushi's death to burn down the warpath, and his actions around the time of the battle for the Shiigeru left a bad taste in my mouth, but I have to accept that his actions between those events were much better. While I wish things hadn't turned out quite like they have, I am not sure we'd have a single sliver of home without Heth leading troops there, and the Caldari leadership needed a good shakeup.


Given the pressure that Heth and his faction put on Ishukone I think it speaks well of you that you can take such an open mind, Kraid-haan.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-10 16:05:49 UTC
Kraid, Heth was never a hero, and few of the things he did were laudable. At best he was a man with unswerving dedication to imposing his vision of reality on the world - a trait that can be grudgingly admired, perhaps, but not celebrated. If you look a little further into the CPD and the cult of personality built around him, you discover that a vast number of the positive changes in the early days of the New Meritocracy were the work of Janus Bravor, his ill-fated adjutant and aide, who took a leave of medical absence under mysterious circumstances and never resurfaced.

If we are to consider Heth's actions between his vulture-like glee for Ishukone's misfortune and his eventual well-deserved condemnation by the State at large, we must consider that during this time he was constantly working against the greater interests of the State. He was embezzling from Kaalakiota, a corporation that trusted him with leadership, to support the CPD, a piece of politlcal machinery primarily geared towards ensuring he maintained power. He spearheaded the victimization of Ishukone by the rest of the State while using the tragedy of Malkalen as a rallying cry for war. On that note, he started and continued a war that has quite demonstrably not benefited the State in any tangible way. He enriched himself off selling "development rights" on captured systems that don't and will never actually belong to the State to its constituent megacorporations - and then withdrew them when it pleased him. Many of his actions were instrumental in precipitating a financial crisis that has left the State deeply indebted to Amarrian financial interests - a dependency which is anathema to the Caldari ideals of autarky and self-reliance.

His administration perhaps, with some justice, made life better for the average Caldari citizen, but you have to remember that during all the time he did this he was embezzling, associating with and funding terrorist groups such as the Templis Dragonaurs and leeching off the newfound vitality of the State to fuel his own personal vendettas. We in the Federation don't celebrate Luc Duvailer just because he spearheaded legislation to cut waiting times at hospitals.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-06-10 16:35:09 UTC
To be fair, the changes that Tibus Heth made to the State were a little more far-reaching than just his attempt to impose centralised authority on us. At the outset he took a very entrenched and corrupt Executive class to task and reminded them that everybody gets judged on their merits.

As Kraid-haan pointed out, it is also highly unlikely that we would have boots on the ground on Home without Heth taking us there by force - something that only he had the testicular fortitude to achieve. Sadly his litany of achievements slips from this point - sins of omission in failing to use ALL tools at his disposal to convert the military invasion of Home into an armistice as well as sins of commission in embezzlement, conspiracy and... well... everyone know the laundry list of his crimes.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-10 17:01:07 UTC
The question is, do we weigh Home and Meritocracy as being worth more than the rest of that litany of sin?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-06-10 17:19:08 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
The question is, do we weigh Home and Meritocracy as being worth more than the rest of that litany of sin?


Why can't we take the things we like and leave the things we don't like? I think we'll need another century or two of perspective before we can decide whether Heth was a good or bad thing, on balance.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2014-06-10 17:20:58 UTC
Oh don't get me wrong, I still think Heth is scum.
I am merely pointing out that there were some positive aspects. The stuff like embezzlement didn't happen overnight, and like Hakatain pointed, out, we would have been much better off if setting things in motion was as far as Heth had been allowed to take things, but he nevertheless did put some positive things into motion wh

Fire renews the forest, just as it can spiral out of control and destroy it as well, and it is a tough philosophical debate on whether good and evil are more based on actions or intent.

Stitcher wrote:
The question is, do we weigh Home and Meritocracy as being worth more than the rest of that litany of sin?

I'm not sure anymore.
I'm not even sure if saying yes overvalues Home. It's very important, but so is not having a leader racking up a rap sheet.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#12 - 2014-06-10 17:24:43 UTC
From an outsider's perspective Verin, no.

One side clearly outweighs the other.
Hell, He tried to nationalise.

so yeah,
+10 for claiming to reinstate a meritocracy.
+10 for getting at least a solid stake in Caldari Prime.

-20 for financially crippling 'his' megacorp
-50 for failing utterly to actually implement a meritocracy, history showed that bootlicking & hatred seemed more important to him and the CPD than skill or ability.
-100 for attempting to nationalise the entire Caldari megacorporate structure.


I'm sure i missed a few (ok, a lot) of points, but the general pattern is somewhat discernable.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-10 17:38:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Why can't we take the things we like and leave the things we don't like? I think we'll need another century or two of perspective before we can decide whether Heth was a good or bad thing, on balance.

Let me put it this way. It may sound brutal, it may sound unkind, perhaps even callous, but this is the way it is.

Heth did not give you Caldari Prime. He stole Caldari Prime.

Now, before you say anything: yes, perhaps In theory, he stole Caldari Prime in the name of the people it actually belongs to. Perhaps he stole it from thieves. The issue, as with almost everything that Heth touched, is that the situation wasn't as simple as he made it out to be. Heth launched an unprovoked invasion of Federal territory to seize the one, sole part of it that the people of the Federation don't have a stronger claim to than the State. His attack killed hundreds of thousands of Federal crewmen and civilians, and the "peace" he demanded was forced upon the Federation at the barrel of a world-ending gun. Then, far worse, he broke this promise of peace and declared war again, this time trying to seize worlds and star systems upon which the State had never and will never have any claim.

Not even Heth was stupid enough to believe the Federation would simply sit and do nothing. To do so would have demonstrated a weakness that we would not and could not show, for our safety as much as our pride - if one enemy could do this to us, others might believe they could do the same, as Uriam Kador's ill-fated excursion into Solitude aptly demonstrated. A response had to be formulated. A retort had to be issued.

Heth never delivered a single inch of Caldari Prime to the people of the State that existed without threat of war or reconquest. As long as there was war, as long as the State considered us targets, the Federation couldn't back down. We didn't want war, but peace on Heth's terms was the worse option. And so it went, and billions more lives had to be lost before finally, Heth's grip on the reins of power slipped and Ishukone was able to offer us a way of backing out of this war that didn't look like a retreat or a surrender.

Heth never gave you Caldari Prime. Ishukone is giving you Caldari Prime, inch by inch, and believe you me, I think in the end the Federation will be glad to be rid of it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-06-10 17:46:38 UTC
What you say seems very sensible, Andreus, but it has to be tempered with the fact that, as abhorrent and impossible as Heth's solution undoubtedly was, it achieved more than all the other non-solutions that we'd tried.

Perhaps the chorus of "We will return!" had become too much a part of the background noise of diplomacy between the Caldari and the Gallente, I'm not sure, but I do know that when we finally kept that promise it both surprised and frightened the air out of you. We'd done a bad job of convincing you that we REALLY meant it. Really, really. Heth managed to satisfy you that we did.

Now, we can argue that Highlander was a necessary reaction to that invasion. Perhaps the Shiigeru was simply the price we had to pay? But you can't argue that Ishukone would be stood on Home, debating with the Senate, without that Caldari Navy taskforce and their bold recapture of Home.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-06-10 17:56:08 UTC
What you say is true, Pieter. And in time, despite the countless lives that have been lost, I hope - I dearly hope, more than anything in this world - that it was all worth it. Then maybe, in some distant, convoluted way, Heth will have done something good for both our peoples.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-06-10 18:36:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
it achieved more than all the other non-solutions that we'd tried.

I'm not asking this to be argumentative, but I've asked this question a few times to a few people and have yet to receive an informative answer: what were these failed non-solutions? As far as I'm aware, there were never any serious attempts by Caldari leadership to approach the Federation leadership to negotiate, no olive branches or offers were made public, and there wasn't even a State funded lobbyist group pressing the issue in the Senate.

Heck, you probably could have created a lot of public support with just a grassroots social media campaign, considering most people in the Federation either recognize the wrongs done to the people of Caldari Prime or are too new to the fold to have any old grudges to hold against the State.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2014-06-10 19:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
it achieved more than all the other non-solutions that we'd tried.

I'm not asking this to be argumentative, but I've asked this question a few times to a few people and have yet to receive an informative answer: what were these failed non-solutions? As far as I'm aware, there were never any serious attempts by Caldari leadership to approach the Federation leadership to negotiate, no olive branches or offers were made public, and there wasn't even a State funded lobbyist group pressing the issue in the Senate.

Heck, you probably could have created a lot of public support with just a grassroots social media campaign, considering most people in the Federation either recognize the wrongs done to the people of Caldari Prime or are too new to the fold to have any old grudges to hold against the State.


Official relations were still far too frosty for an open diplomatic approach, I understand. A lobby group is all very well (and I'm sure that Ishukone had one) but without Senators willing to stand up and argue the point in the Senate, it would get nowhere.

Championing handing back Caldari Prime was political suicide until events changed that - especially given the State's hardline position on sharing sovereignty and the rights / privileges of the Federation settlers, who we viewed as a cross between thieves and rapists.

In fact, it was that issue that I think was starting to be opened up for debate when Noir set relations back a century by stuffing a capital ship into the Malkalen station and reopening hostilities.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#18 - 2014-06-10 19:14:02 UTC
I'm still not convinced it wasn't just a dodgy docking computer. Probably jury-rigged from a Tempest or something.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2014-06-10 19:38:37 UTC
"Hey, guys! Hold my cheese and watch this!"

I clearly need more sleep. I've gotten to the point of reading Kim threads.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-06-10 21:17:00 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Ah to be young and naive. To still believe that all battlefields are martial and all wars are only won and lost through force of arms.

What other peoples couldn't do by other means for 200 years, Tibus Heth did through force of arms in just one day.

Quote:

Of course I am referring to one that does not understand that while Heth may have started the restoration, the meritocracy wasn't fully realized until his removal.

This is misconception and huge step back. It will be way harder to unite Caldari again without CPD to deal with gallentean problem once and forever.
And there are still many other problems which would be very hard to solve without CPD. For example, to stop Federation to delivering spies into Caldari space through Intaki-Ishukone pipe.
And I don't think CEP would be able to remove traitor Reppola from power. They could have, of course, offer Reppola the Tea Maker Ceremony, but Reppola isn't Yanala, knowing his cowardice and how he groveled at gallentean feet, I don't think he will have courage to drink the tea.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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