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Need some insighs: why can't we set up a clone re spawn into a WH?

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Mithandra
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#21 - 2014-06-10 10:35:28 UTC
Really doesn't matter what CCP's design philosophy was in the beginning.

The player base as is its wont, looked, saw that WH Space was good, and then proceeded to use WH's in a manner totally unexpected by CCP.

No doubt someone can come up with a lore based reason why clone jumping doesn't work in WH's but I'm happy that it doesn't. It gives you that added incentive to ensure that its the other guys that have to do the clone jumping, not you or your kin.



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Bagrat Skalski
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#22 - 2014-06-10 11:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I dont know. I would not like to stay in wormhole with a rocky ship, that's for sure.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2014-06-10 12:28:57 UTC
The clone vat on a Rorqual doesn't work in a wormhole. Wormholes were never intended to be occupied on a long term basis so the mechanics were set accordingly.

Lore wise a clone vat won't work in a wormhole because the "tech" required to transfer the data involved in a clone activation simply doesn't exist there, nor does the tech required to receive that data and transfer it into a new clone (jump or medical). Local functions differently for a similar reason.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
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#24 - 2014-06-10 12:35:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The clone vat on a Rorqual doesn't work in a wormhole. Wormholes were never intended to be occupied on a long term basis so the mechanics were set accordingly.

Lore wise a clone vat won't work in a wormhole because the "tech" required to transfer the data involved in a clone activation simply doesn't exist there, nor does the tech required to receive that data and transfer it into a new clone (jump or medical). Local functions differently for a similar reason.


Yet it works in reverse.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-06-10 12:44:01 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The clone vat on a Rorqual doesn't work in a wormhole. Wormholes were never intended to be occupied on a long term basis so the mechanics were set accordingly.

Lore wise a clone vat won't work in a wormhole because the "tech" required to transfer the data involved in a clone activation simply doesn't exist there, nor does the tech required to receive that data and transfer it into a new clone (jump or medical). Local functions differently for a similar reason.


Yet it works in reverse.

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Hush now before CCP spot this and instigate sanctions for picking holes in their stuff P

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#26 - 2014-06-10 14:03:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The clone vat on a Rorqual doesn't work in a wormhole. Wormholes were never intended to be occupied on a long term basis so the mechanics were set accordingly.


People keep saying this, but if it were true, POSes and POCOs wouldn't be allowed in W-Space.

What really happened is CCP intended people to temporarily inhabit W-Space... but they have a different definition of 'temporary' than the average W-Dweller.

Either they should truly make W-Space a nomad only place (eliminate POS anchorage), or admit that it is working as intended and stop dev blocking things like Roqual Clone Vats.

For the record, I support removing POS Anchorage entirely.

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Ramona McCandless
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#27 - 2014-06-10 14:08:01 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The clone vat on a Rorqual doesn't work in a wormhole. Wormholes were never intended to be occupied on a long term basis so the mechanics were set accordingly.


People keep saying this, but if it were true, POSes and POCOs wouldn't be allowed in W-Space.

What really happened is CCP intended people to temporarily inhabit W-Space... but they have a different definition of 'temporary' than the average W-Dweller.

Either they should truly make W-Space a nomad only place (eliminate POS anchorage), or admit that it is working as intended and stop dev blocking things like Roqual Clone Vats.


It is not working as intended

It is working as the players chose to use it

And as this did not have a bad outcome, CCP let it remain like that because players generate content

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#28 - 2014-06-10 14:11:31 UTC
Of course, but then in turn using extinct argumentation platforms to justify dev blocking new ideas is disingenuous and regressive.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-06-10 14:22:35 UTC
If clones get put in wormholes cynos need to be allowed and capable of being jumped/bridged to.

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Ramona McCandless
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#30 - 2014-06-10 14:25:56 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Of course, but then in turn using extinct argumentation platforms to justify dev blocking new ideas is disingenuous and regressive.


Spawning clones in a WH is hardly a new idea

But it keeps WHs riskier than any other space for some

And I dont see how thats regressive

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cent ech
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-06-10 14:36:08 UTC
there is one obvious reason for it:

if you get podded and respawn in the same WH without having the ability to probe you out - you will be lost there forever.
you can't even kill yourself to get out.

of cause there is the very small possibility that someone founds you and probes you out - but thats very rare.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#32 - 2014-06-10 14:48:04 UTC
Saisin wrote:
Sometime, the logistic to get you back in will be really difficult

It's really not.

And in anycase most smart wormholers have (far) more than the one toon in their hole. So if by chance you have a terrible route to highsec one day then just roll your hole, or wait until tomorrow and scan again.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#33 - 2014-06-10 14:55:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Of course, but then in turn using extinct argumentation platforms to justify dev blocking new ideas is disingenuous and regressive.


Spawning clones in a WH is hardly a new idea

But it keeps WHs riskier than any other space for some

And I dont see how thats regressive


I wasn't talking about any specific idea, I was referring to the idea that you can stop an idea in its tracks by referencing dev statements that are not revenant to the present.

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Ramona McCandless
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#34 - 2014-06-10 15:01:36 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Of course, but then in turn using extinct argumentation platforms to justify dev blocking new ideas is disingenuous and regressive.


Spawning clones in a WH is hardly a new idea

But it keeps WHs riskier than any other space for some

And I dont see how thats regressive


I wasn't talking about any specific idea, I was referring to the idea that you can stop an idea in its tracks by referencing dev statements that are not revenant to the present.


Ok, fair enough.

By the way, I think you mean relevant. This is a revenant

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MeBiatch
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#35 - 2014-06-10 15:10:23 UTC
Question: if you make a rorq in a wh system can you not use its clone vat bay?

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Ramona McCandless
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#36 - 2014-06-10 15:12:29 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Question: if you make a rorq in a wh system can you not use its clone vat bay?


Nope

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-06-10 16:32:29 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're not meant to live permanently in w-space systems.

That's true even for my RL country - you are not meant to live permanently in it... but I still do. I like challenges Pirate

I think that's true for RL in general.

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Ramona McCandless
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LinkNet
#38 - 2014-06-10 16:36:58 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're not meant to live permanently in w-space systems.

That's true even for my RL country - you are not meant to live permanently in it... but I still do. I like challenges Pirate

I think that's true for RL in general.


I know its impossible to live in London unless you are an NPC

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Solecist Project
#39 - 2014-06-10 17:52:37 UTC
I just read the title and realized what the OP actually needs.


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#40 - 2014-06-10 17:54:59 UTC
Realistically, if you die in WH space, you shouldn't respawn at all. Or if you do respawn, you should respawn with the SP you had when you last updated your clone.

Oh god.
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