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Dual rep frigate effectiveness
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Rei Kuroki
Electric Sheep Machinery
Caladrius Alliance
#1 - 2014-06-06 19:09:14 UTC
I've seen a lot of people use dual rep on frigates, and I don't get why people do that when it can't be run for even few cycles before cap dries out.
I do understand if u have cap boosters it works, but is it really good enough to be throwing away one damage mod?

I mostly fight in FW space, if that means anything.
Skelee VI
Swamp Panthers
Bog Brotherhood
#2 - 2014-06-06 19:40:52 UTC
My Nooblet. Come to real pvp not FW. My dual rep incursus rocks! And yes I use a cap booster. I cycle my main repper and pulse the AAR when needed or run both if taking a beating. Damage mod uses more cap than repper! BTW
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#3 - 2014-06-06 19:54:34 UTC
Cap-injected dual-rep setups last long enough in most fights.

The real opportunity cost comes with the sacrifice of the mid rather than the sacrifice of the low.

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Valatie
Void Lurkers
#4 - 2014-06-06 20:21:06 UTC
Because of the lack of a web only bads die to a dual rep incursus. However, there are a lot of bads out there.

More importantly fitting your ship in a way that's only effective against bads means you're one of them, so I advise against it.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#5 - 2014-06-06 21:02:25 UTC
I finished off an Incursus the other day. Total damage was 48k.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-06 23:50:29 UTC
Rei Kuroki wrote:
I've seen a lot of people use dual rep on frigates, and I don't get why people do that when it can't be run for even few cycles before cap dries out.
I do understand if u have cap boosters it works, but is it really good enough to be throwing away one damage mod?

I mostly fight in FW space, if that means anything.


Dual rep incursus has its pros and cons. One of its pros is mainly its staying power. In a solo fight if the enemy doesn't have enough DPS the incursus can perma tank him until he runs out of charges. Of course doing that means he sacrifices range control so anyone with a web will scram kite him. Kiters are 50/50 against incursus some dual rep us MWD instead of AB to catch kiting ships.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2014-06-09 15:11:28 UTC
Dual rep Incursus is terrible..

The people who think they are good (Some on my alliance for example) are also terrible..

Having a huge tank does absolutely nothing for you when all you can kill is retards and shitfits. I can kill a Dual rep incursus in a heron given enough time.

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#8 - 2014-06-09 15:26:17 UTC
Just re-iterating Garviels point, Dual rep frigates are basically free kills for anyone with a basic understanding of the dual rep ship they are fighting. At best they may survive till mates turn up but they certainly can't control a fight and without that control you are going to miss many many kills and probably die a lot in the process.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#9 - 2014-06-09 15:45:51 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Just re-iterating Garviels point, Dual rep frigates are basically free kills for anyone with a basic understanding of the dual rep ship they are fighting. At best they may survive till mates turn up but they certainly can't control a fight and without that control you are going to miss many many kills and probably die a lot in the process.


Yeah. They are a lot of fun to fly but in the end you can't control the range for crap, which in a blaster ship means you're doing nothing to the enemy.

You can actually fit them with a web and hope the other guy doesn't notice they are not pointed. That's kind of hilarious to do and happens surprisingly often. But in the end, while they are great fun to fly and soak up damage, they are not going to kill too many people once they figure them out.

I do kind of love them, but Garviel and Christine nail it. Not the most effective Incursus fit.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#10 - 2014-06-09 16:58:01 UTC
Remember folks, you can't tank an enemy ship to death. Sacrificing DPS/mobility/etc. for more tank really only helps if you're playing bait, or engaging easy targets.

Dual reps can work on a battleship and some battlecruisers because you can do it without giving up too much. Cruisers are questionable; it depends on the ship and the situation. But frigates? Every slot counts, you can't waste any.

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-09 18:05:20 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Dual rep Incursus is terrible..

The people who think they are good (Some on my alliance for example) are also terrible..

Having a huge tank does absolutely nothing for you when all you can kill is retards and shitfits. I can kill a Dual rep incursus in a heron given enough time.


All of this is true
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#12 - 2014-06-10 00:34:12 UTC
Dual rep Incursus has it's merits sometimes (mostly as bait) but it's without a doubt crappy fit. However not all dual rep frigs are crap, the Astero for example, is a great ship to fit dual rep, it has 4 mids so it doesn't have to sacrifice tackle to have a cap booster, it's dps is low so outlasting your enemies is important and the resist bonus gives it a good enough buffer against against alpha.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-06-10 07:47:12 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
My Nooblet. Come to real pvp not FW. My dual rep incursus rocks! And yes I use a cap booster. I cycle my main repper and pulse the AAR when needed or run both if taking a beating. Damage mod uses more cap than repper! BTW


lol.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#14 - 2014-06-10 13:16:02 UTC
Yeah basically what Garviel said.
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-06-10 16:42:03 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Skelee VI wrote:
My Nooblet. Come to real pvp not FW. My dual rep incursus rocks! And yes I use a cap booster. I cycle my main repper and pulse the AAR when needed or run both if taking a beating. Damage mod uses more cap than repper! BTW


lol.

Yea, I love it when the 'real' PvPers from nul lower themselves to come to fight in the WZ.

Lessons are learned, that's for sure.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#16 - 2014-06-11 00:56:10 UTC
Yeah, the fact that he talks about how awesome it is is funny, but the fact that he apparently beats people in it says a lot too.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2014-06-11 00:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
Yeah, the fact that he talks about how awesome it is is funny, but the fact that he apparently beats people in it says a lot too.


It says that there are a lot of really bad people out there.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#18 - 2014-06-11 04:18:46 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
Yeah, the fact that he talks about how awesome it is is funny, but the fact that he apparently beats people in it says a lot too.


It says that there is a lot of really bad people out there.


Exactly.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-06-11 11:08:47 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
My Nooblet. Come to real pvp not FW. My dual rep incursus rocks! And yes I use a cap booster. I cycle my main repper and pulse the AAR when needed or run both if taking a beating. Damage mod uses more cap than repper! BTW



please, feel free to come to Black Rise and school us on the most fine and exquisite nuances of PvP and dual repping wonders
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-06-11 17:00:06 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
Yeah, the fact that he talks about how awesome it is is funny, but the fact that he apparently beats people in it says a lot too.


It says that there are a lot of really bad people out there.


Dual Rep Incurses are probably a lot better outside of Lowsec plex duels where every brawl won't be up against a scram/web/AB fit frigate and you can do things like camp a drag bubble to pull random idiots into your engagement range in ships that do not want to be there at all.
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