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Isboxing bomb squads

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Royally
Weird Wanderers
#1 - 2014-06-08 23:07:12 UTC
I have been wondering wether or not CCP permits this to happen? I've had several people I know get bombed by obvious isboxers.

These people then petitioned their losses, and most of the time got reimbursed.
My question is: If CCP is reimbursing these people, why are they not dealing with the Isboxers? I have to assume that reimbursing a loss means CCP judged it an exploit to make the kill in the first place, thus the offender should be punished?

Why is CCP sitting on the fence on this one?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2 - 2014-06-08 23:09:23 UTC
More information required

ISBoxer is, unfortunately, legal so we would have to have more information on the incident befor ewe can give our half baked opinion

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2014-06-08 23:11:34 UTC
Seems strange that they were most of the time reimbursed.

How many people is 'several' people and of those several, how many times did reimbursement occur and how many times did it not occur?

As to ISBoxer, CCP aren't really on the fence. They've ruled it ok.
Royally
Weird Wanderers
#4 - 2014-06-08 23:12:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Seems strange that they were most of the time reimbursed.

How many people is 'several' people and of those several, how many times did reimbursement occur and how many times did it not occur?

As to ISBoxer, CCP aren't really on the fence. They've ruled it ok.



Twenty one kills, 17 times reimbursed. So yes, I'd say they're on the fence. Every time it was a full bomb squad obviously controlled by one person launching a perfect alpha
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2014-06-08 23:15:12 UTC
With facts like these, who could possibly doubt?

Citation required

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2014-06-08 23:17:42 UTC
Royally wrote:
Twenty one kills, 17 times reimbursed. So yes, I'd say they're on the fence. Every time it was a full bomb squad obviously controlled by one person launching a perfect alpha

Those are pretty impressive numbers. Way more than I was expecting.

So I'm all out of half baked opinion on this one.

ISBoxer has been ruled ok, so I have no clue why reimbursement would occur, unless those deaths occurred during some other problem (eg. during a DDoS)|.

Only CCP can give you the definitive answer, but they won't.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7 - 2014-06-08 23:27:50 UTC
And your problem is... what?

That you dont like reimbursement?

GrrGoons (Opposite Day mode?)

Still see no evidence of reimbursement though

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Royally
Weird Wanderers
#8 - 2014-06-08 23:31:43 UTC
I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.

I stated that I am confused as to CCP's stance on this, since the user(s) in question quite obviously dont get banned, I'm assuming its fine.
But since reimbursment takes place for those who petition a loss such as those quoted, I'm assuming its not fine?

Or is CCP just going down the middle road and encouraging people to get as many accounts as possible whilst mitigating the effect they can have on PVP on the side?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2014-06-08 23:35:59 UTC
Why are you outing your friends for abusing the petition system?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2014-06-08 23:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Royally wrote:
I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.

It's not that. It's just that the whole thing is strange.

21 kills petitioned with what - "I got killed due to ISBoxer" - and CCP reimbused. That is very un-CCP like.

Additionally, why if all the situations were "killed by ISBoxer, please reimburse" did 4 not get reimbursed.

I would suspect that all of the answers you seek from CCP are already in the correspondence between the petitioning player and the GMs that handled the cases.

Each of those should explain why it was reimbursed or not.

CCP are unlikely to give you an answer on the forum.

None of that changes the fact that CCP are not on the fence in relation to ISBoxer. It's a legal piece of software to use under the EULA. CCP have said so.
Royally
Weird Wanderers
#11 - 2014-06-08 23:43:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Why are you outing your friends for abusing the petition system?


I dont see how it is abuse of the petition system, when they get reimbursed. Unless I am very much mistaken, a person, not a piece of software handles those petitions.
Royally
Weird Wanderers
#12 - 2014-06-08 23:43:55 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Royally wrote:
I need to contact said individuals to obtain the proof of reimbursment. Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.

It's not that. It's just that the whole thing is strange.

21 kills petitioned with what - "I got killed due to ISBoxer" - and CCP reimbused. That is very un-CCP like.

Additionally, why if all the situations were "killed by ISBoxer, please reimburse" did 4 not get reimbursed.


Well, I'd imagine they expressed themselves slightly more eloquently. But I agree, its strange, hence why I'm asking.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#13 - 2014-06-08 23:46:39 UTC
Royally wrote:
Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.


Difficult to be constructive in regards to baseless lies

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Regnag Leppod
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-06-08 23:52:19 UTC
Reimbursment and enforcement issues aside, that is a beautiful use of isboxer.

Why aren't they doing this to gank miners?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-06-08 23:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Royally wrote:

These people then petitioned their losses, and most of the time got reimbursed.


I call complete and utter BS on this.

But if it's true a statement from the GM's is inorder cause there are thousands interested in PvP reimbs for one reason or another.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Royally
Weird Wanderers
#16 - 2014-06-08 23:54:59 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Royally wrote:
Your attitude however, doesnt exactly come over as either constructive, or as having read my OP with anything more than the attention span of a fly.


Difficult to be constructive in regards to baseless lies



Then I suggest you get rid of your cropped up frustration in another thread.
Seeing as you have already decided for yourself that these are "baseless lies", even though I stated that I am in the process of obtaining the evidence you crave for, makes a discussion with you a moot point.

You also dismissed my OP as "grrgoons", which is wasnt, I am not judging here, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#17 - 2014-06-08 23:56:48 UTC
Without a way to verify your information, it is indistinguishable from a lie, no matter if you may be speaking the truth or not.

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GOB the Magician
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-06-08 23:56:56 UTC
another example of the goon menace ruining our eve!
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-06-08 23:57:21 UTC
*handwave* "... these aren't the ISBoxers you're looking for... "

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Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-06-08 23:57:51 UTC
This topic has been discussed over and over again with no real result,
because discussing it is pointless.

It's allowed. Every pilot is seen as seperate identity, regardless of the amount of players controlling them.
As long as there is no artificial input via bots, no rule is broken.


There really isn't much to discuss here,
except the use of Google.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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