Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Haven't seen the penalty for PvPing on a PvE slider, but alright that could fix some of it.

If you don't see anyone with a PvP slider, than I guess it is because no one cares to PvP, why try force people to play a game they don't like?

In Eve the war system has little to do with pirating - until hiding haulers in NPC corps is fixed?

If you don't control griefers you have no players, first everyone else leaves, then the griefers have no one to grief and leaves. It just won't work.

If you had a healthy player community, where people looked for challenge etc when picking a fight, you could have a completely open PvP system, no restrictions and everyone still having fun (Diablo (no not the later sorry excuses for games, the first), Counter-Strike, Neverwinter Nights (not the later attempts to sell on the name, the first) etc all proved this). I have often walked by people that could kill me just by looking at me in other games, but since I was no challenge, why waste time on me? They would gain nothing from the fight, neither player knowledge or in-game rewards.

But in a game like Eve, a game full of people who live for others tears, to insult others (just check how few threads there are on these forums where CCP haven't had to remove completely out of line posts) and even without hesitation try threaten other players from using the game boards and dedicate blogs outside the game to try insult or humiliate players or groups of players (minerbumping, gankerbumping and others that have been linked in this thread but are deleted for example). You need very strict rules or the griefers will remove the game play from everyone else.

Some say Eve has the greatest community, well, it is the worst I have ever met. There are many fan sites etc about Eve, but they are generally always of a negative character (dedicated to insults, threats etc). And threats against players when discussing game mechanics? I don't remember ever seeing that before anywhere.

In terms of hisec wars I would encourage corps to have their players diversify into a few areas of business. Learn to fly cloaked and go exploring when wardec'd, learn to fly in losec and be safe in the knowledge that anyone in local is a threat whether a war target or not. Teach your corpies about fast dock/undocks. There are many ways to evade WT's without comprimise on the time you spend in Eve and it can be fun even without shooting people. Some of the best adrenaline rushes I had are when jumping through gate camps in a nereus...Just think of the ganker tears when they fail to scram you and you warp away..

And yes, the pirate comments was actually intended for the thread about gankers :D

What actually are you arguing about now? "PvP slider", "Leave carebears alone"... Thats just already became rediculous. You are proposing to shield some part of playerbase from PvP activities completely, despite the fact that Eve desn't offer you enough tools to do something else, and you think it's a sane decision? If you remove some neglectable threat out of generic highsec caribear's life, what is left here for him? Pointless and horribly boring "defeat all these crosses!" activity? For what? To stuff your rusty boat with milliards of officer modules? This is so insane that almost make me puke. Btw, I'm not a PvPer myself.

Griefers and free PvP zones currently is only thing that make PvE in Eve somewhat tolerable, remove these and you are left with absolute nill PvE gameplay (I don't think it's a good thing, but thats how it is). To allow some higsec manufacturer to mindlessly set his jobs all the time without need to coopearate and engage in social activities other than trading seems solid market mechanics for you? Is it how it done IRL, you mean (despite the fact the New Eden is even harsher place than our old Earth)?

That graf however, stops before some changes that greatly increased the possibilities for griefing in high sec (among those the current war system), and CCP has stoppet giving data to the people making those kind of graphs (http://mmodata.blogspot.com/), so not really a good argument in this case.



When they are their own target, I think the fun goes away. If they wanted to fight PvP oriented people, they wouldn't be playing in high sec currently, but be off in low and null. But this is all speculation.



It might be so, and current changes surely seems to suggest that CCP does not want social people in the game as anything but targets. If that is the case however, I know a few people who won't be here much longer as we are here to play WITH others, not AGAINST others (since a lot of people are going to misunderstand this, let me clarify that killing each other can very well be playing WITH each other, the difference is in reasons).

It was actually mostly in regards to how PvP *could* be handled. Star Citizen being the stick of the two, as it expressly discourages social interaction and segregates the playerbase quite severely.

The removal of max 3 non-consensual wars.

I have tried finding the dates for the changes, but not much luck.

Seems the 3-cap was removed with the 2012 change.

According to https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wars the increased cost per aggressor war is removed, but can't find any statements as to when, according to this " Q: War dec cost, number of aggressor wars. A: The number of wars the declaring corp has still modifies the cost." it was not removed with the 2012 change.

If you call trusting what CCP SoniClover writes in an official dev blog for grasping at straws, then yeah.

I already gave the quote above.