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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#41 - 2014-06-07 23:47:42 UTC
Morta Viene wrote:
Mining isn't the only thing I do. Its just what I was doing when I was popped.
Well you can do most of that stuff as a nulbear, plenty to do out there. Keep a jump clone and a fleet in high, can still do other stuff there. Logistics between nul and highsec trade hubs can be a problem, but it happens. But if you just like mining and buying ships shouldn't be any problem. You wont have the 0 tax rate, but what you put in you get out, rather than just handing it over as extortion. It's a better rout than quitting over the usual highsec drama which can really suck.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-06-07 23:50:38 UTC
OP, there are plenty of things you can do to be aware of your surroundings and the system you are in while you mine or do other non-combat specific things.

First of all, don't lose your cool. Frustrating things can happen in EVE. You will lose ships. It's important to learn from your losses and not be daunted by them. Your capsuleer is an immortal demigod. He comes back again and again and again.. all that's necessary is your patience.

Check out all the suggestions given to Gully Alex Foyle given in his thread about mining during wardecs. Much of the advice should apply to you:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345485

Look at Eve Uni's 'mining strategies'. There are some really helpful suggestions here:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mining#Mining_strategies

You can email me if you have any questions. I'd be happy to answer them for you.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Morta Viene
DoubleClamDrilling
#43 - 2014-06-07 23:55:32 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Morta Viene wrote:
Mining isn't the only thing I do. Its just what I was doing when I was popped.
Well you can do most of that stuff as a nulbear, plenty to do out there. Keep a jump clone and a fleet in high, can still do other stuff there. Logistics between nul and highsec trade hubs can be a problem, but it happens. But if you just like mining and buying ships shouldn't be any problem. You wont have the 0 tax rate, but what you put in you get out, rather than just handing it over as extortion. It's a better rout than quitting over the usual highsec drama which can really suck.



Well you convinced me to go out to Null. So I guess something came out of this. /dry tears
Morta Viene
DoubleClamDrilling
#44 - 2014-06-07 23:57:25 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
OP, there are plenty of things you can do to be aware of your surroundings and the system you are in while you mine or do other non-combat specific things.

First of all, don't lose your cool. Frustrating things can happen in EVE. You will lose ships. It's important to learn from your losses and not be daunted by them. Your capsuleer is an immortal demigod. He comes back again and again and again.. all that's necessary is your patience.

Check out all the suggestions given to Gully Alex Foyle given in his thread about mining during wardecs. Much of the advice should apply to you:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345485

Look at Eve Uni's 'mining strategies'. There are some really helpful suggestions here:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mining#Mining_strategies

You can email me if you have any questions. I'd be happy to answer them for you.



Thanks for the info :) Im feeling better now, just had to get my /cry out. lol
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-06-08 00:02:01 UTC
^^ sure, but just remember.. in EVE your tear ducts only contain blood. Every time you cry, the waters churn and sharks get a whiff.

Slap yourself if you have to a couple of times. The time for tears is over.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#46 - 2014-06-08 00:03:46 UTC
Thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience as it is essentially a quit post..

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-06-08 00:05:08 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Morta Viene wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
the permits are just some idiots being idiots, just buy a new ship and move to a quieter system, and set new order ppl to red, problem solved


Losing an Orca, 1 hulk, implants...that sets me back...20 hours or so? /cry

Its just not worth it.

oh my god 20 hours what a monumental setback

So you can buy a billion worth of ships and implants from 20 hours of mining in high sec? (For the math challenged; 50 mil an hour)
I think your idea of how profitable grinding rocks is might be a little skewed.

I'm not sure why you're saying this since it's not my number.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#48 - 2014-06-08 00:15:14 UTC
Hmm. I thought the new order has into bumping people to get them to buy a permit, not shooting them.
Doesn't seem like a good business strategy to scare a customer away from the game by shooting first and then tell them, they need a permit. I would probably have done it the other way around.
Adunh Slavy
#49 - 2014-06-08 00:20:47 UTC
Morta Viene wrote:
Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? [/i]



You now have kill rights on one or more players, go do something about it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#50 - 2014-06-08 00:20:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Maeltstome
One of these days all the folk who join New Order will learn that they are being scammed in the biggest way possible: James owns BPO for the major mining ships. He literally is selling ships that have a low turn-over and invented a way to have them require replacement more frequently.

But some folk love the whole "saviour of high-sec" semi-RP stuff. It's all very 4Chan-like for people who aren't actually capable of understanding when they are being used. Makes them feel like pro-trolls and posts like this feed that.

The term NewFag never seemed more appropriate ;)
Marsha Mallow
#51 - 2014-06-08 00:24:53 UTC
Morta Viene wrote:
/dry tears

That's the spirit.

Sibyyl wrote:
Slap yourself if you have to a couple of times.

You have no idea how many times I've instructed people to do this ingame. Bahaha.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I shall now go out and gank a miner on your behalf.

Lazymode is just to bump people on gates and act all innocent (redressing the Karmic balance). Helps if they are blue.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#52 - 2014-06-08 00:26:12 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Morta Viene wrote:
Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? [/i]



You now have kill rights on one or more players, go do something about it.

Killrights don't make any difference to most of the Code. Gank alts.

They are low enough sec status that they are always free to kill by anyone anyway.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#53 - 2014-06-08 01:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
@Webvan. Wardecs, while they can be indiscriminate, are much more often targeted. And in fact, CCP is perfectly fine with wardecs continuing for weeks, even months at a time. Whether it's consensual to the defender or not.

That pretty well puts the lie to the "targeting someone because they pissed you off is griefing" statement.

I can and have targeted specific players for their statements on the forums or in local. I've done it extensively, *Snip* Please refrain from discussing warnings and bans. ISD Ezwal.

But suggesting that going after somebody because they are lipping off is griefing is just silly.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-06-08 01:27:38 UTC
always check the map too see where latest kills are avoid those area's, buy skiff or procurer tank crap out of it, they tend to leave you alone in hi-sec ,they will get concorded before you get blown up Big smile. yield in these ships are'nt great but if there is a station in the system just dump it there pick up in freighter later on Big smile

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac

James 215
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-06-08 01:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: James 215
Morta Viene wrote:
Here is my /cry post. So I'm just mining away, when all of a sudden I get popped. Apparently I didn't by a permit to mine in high sec? WTH?

I like EVE, I like relaxing and mining, and buying new ships. Flying missions and occasionally watch as they get destroyed which starts the whole process all over again. But seriously this is getting silly. Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? Well I guess Ill let my eve accounts expire again, and see how it is in another 3 years. CYA in 3

*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

Have you thought about learning about EVE instead?

I have made 6bil in 3 months from mining. I haven't been ganked once, despite gankers coming into my system daily.

So why can I do it if you cannot? It's because I've learned about EVE.

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.ca/p/why-was-i-ganked.html
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#56 - 2014-06-08 03:01:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
@Webvan. Wardecs, while they can be indiscriminate, are much more often targeted. And in fact, CCP is perfectly fine with wardecs continuing for weeks, even months at a time. Whether it's consensual to the defender or not.

Yeah but this isn't part of the wardec system, which also has fees to safeguard against stalking/harassing. My suggestion is, as I mentioned, GM's should look into code and see what the usage of this admitted target player harassment list entails.

I mean I'm sure you know CCP has shown that there are limits to what they accept as proper conduct in EVE. This has gotta be out there with other actions that they have taken against player conduct. Now if this is all BS and just some code dude spouting off, well that's something else. Otherwise, I don't give a **** about code carebears, and hardly about vets miners if at all (they make for nice booms), more concerned if they are putting newbies on their harassment lists.

Endgame Content wrote:
[They are not naming anyone.

He just admitted to it. They have a list for harassing specific players. More Psssshhhh, dude.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Morta Viene
DoubleClamDrilling
#57 - 2014-06-08 06:13:02 UTC
This is how I play Eve.

1. I skill up
2. I mine to afford the crap I skilled up for
3. I buy said crap from the market
4. I run security missions with new crap and eventually lose it all because I bit off more than I can chew

Repeat cycle, That is what I drop 45 bucks a month for, and I am sure there are more players that do the same.

The problem with "We are the saviors of high sec" nonsense. Is its just a simple lie. Its a group of people taking pleasure in kicking over someone else's sand castle, and I wasn't AFK mining, I was simply mining.... Hell most of the time I invite other people that show up into the belts I mine, invite them to my fleet, and chat. I really like the EVE community for the most part. I like helping other players as much as I can.

Eve isn't a 100% PVP game, its a space sim. It allows people to play the game in a way that should be fun, and allow the most amount of flexibility for people to play the way they want to play. That's why there is 3 different levels to space. High, Low, and Null. There are places in EVE where wholesale destruction is encouraged and can be highly rewarding. One style of player should not have to suffer, for the entertainment of another type. That isn't fair.

Going into a system, and doing a shakedown, putting people on secret kill lists because they don't want to pay your ransom is griefing. Its as simple as that. It would be cool, if the players that participate in that play style would just man up and say it. Rather then hiding behind BS like "We're making Eve a better game".



Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#58 - 2014-06-08 08:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Morta Viene wrote:
Eve isn't a 100% PVP game, its a space sim.

Well, it is pvp centric. Just some areas it's a bit more challenging to actively engage in pvp, such as in highsec. Once you undock, you are in a pvp environment, all the time. You essentially become a pvp participant, even if all you do is try to avoid it... such as flying cloaky cov-ops or armoring your transport as if it were about to cruise right through the center of a star.

The good thing with this is that if someone starts harassing you, they can't hide behind the system, you can just blap them if you can... or get/hire others to do it for you. Jerks in other games hide behind the system, but no one can here. So, trying to convince anyone that it isn't that, well has been tried and failed many times over in forums. It not CCP's intention to make a 100% pvp free system, well apart form newbie career agent systems that'll often get gankers banned there faster than they can reload.

Not sure why you mine to buy ships to run missions, I mission and it pays very well, I hear more than mining which I refuse to do. I don't even need to run milti accounts to mission, and I don't mission around major mission hubs (e.g. SOE) when in highsec so piracy is rare... though I always have my scanner up nonetheless, look at kill history of the system, and don't run with a crazy piñata fitting. Running missions in low and nul isn't so bad either, or doing FW missions, DED sites and epic arcs. Even incursion fleets have a level of safety. But you want to mine? imo better off in nul.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#59 - 2014-06-08 10:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Morta Viene wrote:
This is how I play Eve.

1. I skill up
2. I mine to afford the crap I skilled up for
3. I buy said crap from the market
4. I run security missions with new crap and eventually lose it all because I bit off more than I can chew

Repeat cycle, That is what I drop 45 bucks a month for, and I am sure there are more players that do the same.

The problem with "We are the saviors of high sec" nonsense. Is its just a simple lie. Its a group of people taking pleasure in kicking over someone else's sand castle, and I wasn't AFK mining, I was simply mining.... Hell most of the time I invite other people that show up into the belts I mine, invite them to my fleet, and chat. I really like the EVE community for the most part. I like helping other players as much as I can.

Eve isn't a 100% PVP game, its a space sim. It allows people to play the game in a way that should be fun, and allow the most amount of flexibility for people to play the way they want to play. That's why there is 3 different levels to space. High, Low, and Null. There are places in EVE where wholesale destruction is encouraged and can be highly rewarding. One style of player should not have to suffer, for the entertainment of another type. That isn't fair.

Going into a system, and doing a shakedown, putting people on secret kill lists because they don't want to pay your ransom is griefing. Its as simple as that. It would be cool, if the players that participate in that play style would just man up and say it. Rather then hiding behind BS like "We're making Eve a better game".


There are several problems with your formula, here.
When you play the game that way, you're making ISK just to keep making ISK. It causes you to play the game the same way you probably work and pay bills, IRL... you're taking a break from living paycheck to paycheck, to play a game where you live paycheck to paycheck.
No wonder you're considering quitting. That sounds like a terrible escape.

If you consider anything that happens in this game to be "suffering", then you have led a very easy life that you're not very good at temporarily escaping from. It's a game. It's a game about destroying other people's spaceships. And you seem to think that when it's YOUR spaceship getting blown up that's somehow unfair.
I'd post some of my lossmails for you, but that's against the forum rules. Look me up on Battleclinic, find my most expensive loss, and tell me if anything you've had shot out from under you comes anywhere near that. And then consider the fact that I do that for fun, in EVE.

The fact is that CODE *does* add something to EVE and make the game more exciting. James315 is generating content with his fake cult. I completely approve of all the things they do, and their reasons/motivations behind it. If you'd ever read minerbumping.com, you'd see where their heads are truly at. Fascinating people, those CODE guys are.

You have this false idea that PvP'ers and gankers are the badguys. Ask anyone who posts on these forums what they think of pirates like me, and they'll tell you most of us are actually really cool people. My alliance clashes with another lowsec pirate corp all the time. We fight eachother no matter what the odds are, because we have fun, win or lose.
The odd times when I can't find a better target and leap onto some noob that can barely fly the battlecruiser he's in, often times I'll tell him what he did wrong, suggest a batter fit, and send him on his way in the hopes that he'll come back and put up a better fight, next time.
HOWEVER.... there are times when I shoot someone, and end up with an inbox full of uncalled-for rage. I've never had a fellow pirate threaten to find me, IRL, beat me down in my own living room and **** my girlfriend.... but I've had mission runners and miners do that, more than once. It's not even an isolated incident.... it's the norm. Shoot carebear -> receive threats of real-life violence. I'd report the people who do it, but it's just so damn comical, all I can do is laugh.

I have more to say, but I'm going to stop there. This post is already too long, as it is.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#60 - 2014-06-08 10:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Webvan wrote:

Yeah but this isn't part of the wardec system, which also has fees to safeguard against stalking/harassing. My suggestion is, as I mentioned, GM's should look into code and see what the usage of this admitted target player harassment list entails.


Yeah... that's not why wardecs have a fee. They have a fee to be a barrier to entry, not to "safeguard against stalking".

Like I said, I am more than happy to cite precedent on this, because I have been doing it for a long while now. Going after a specific someone because that person has pissed you off is totally within bounds.

Quote:

I mean I'm sure you know CCP has shown that there are limits to what they accept as proper conduct in EVE. This has gotta be out there with other actions that they have taken against player conduct.


What? Suicide ganking someone a second time? I can assure you it's not.

*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.