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That is literally the most disappointing thing you could have possibly said. Time to abandon the idea of the massive EVE website myself and another developer have had planned and been working on since the dev licence was first announced about THREE years ago with the carrot on the stick of being able to monetize it.

Adverts simply will not be enough. Development time is far too expensive to make a paltry amount from advertising. Especially on an AJAX heavy project which drastically cuts ad impressions.

What a waste of three years of waiting and development time.

Verbage for proper money making was never going to be in a cookie cutter license.

If you want a license which allows you to charge for something, you need to talk to CCP Legal, to arrange a partnership.

These rather humble wishes (depending on your definition of shinies) should be affordable by donations. In my experience the EVE community is made up of mostly adults who are willing to donate for a good service. If your users are not willing to donate what makes you think they'd be willing to pay up-front?

I suppose that would very much depend on the nature of the partnership you'd propose. I don't think they'd refuse just on the grounds of you not being a company.

While it is true that people do indeed donate for a good service, it is a very small percentage that do so. Most users of a website/application don't donate because they simply don't have to and from experience, it's less than 1%. I believe that third party developers should have the right to charge for their work. Every tool available supplements the experience of Eve where CCP have neither the time nor inclination to produce the tools that are currently available. And to be fair, the quality and support of these tools far surpasses anything that CCP could offer under their current regime. I'm of the opinion that this helps retain users and therefore the income of CCP.

What I would like to see is an agreement between CCP and a third party developer (TPD) pertaining to the ability for TPDs to charge for their work. One possible implementation would be as follows:
1. A legal agreement signed between CCP and TPD as long as TPD is legally permitted to enter into a contract and set up a trading bank account (either as an individual of consenting age or as an authorised representative of a legal entity such as an LLP or limited company).
2. CCP sets up a bank account specifically for third party developer usage. No TPD will be permitted access to this bank account except for the ability to deposit funds into it.
3. TPD can charge for their application as long as the funds acquired from selling that application are entered into the bank account belonging to CCP. Each TBD will be assigned a reference number used to distinguish their own application and used as a payment reference into the bank account.
4. It will be the responsibility of TPDs to ensure that their software licensing provisions are in place, that the TPD agreement with CCP is valid and that sales are entered into CCP's bank account. Failure to do so will nullify any agreement and CCP should take action to protect their IP (as the case is now).
5. CCP take a proportion of the TPD application sales as their royalty/commission/fee payment from the TPD bank account and transfer it to their own corporate bank account. This proportion should be written into the agreement from the start and changing such percentage should require a notice term and a cancellation provision.
6. The balance of the TPD bank account is paid to the TPD to an account nominated in the legal agreement. TPD will be responsible for reporting any income as appropriate to the authorities under their jurisdiction. CCP will be responsible for any income received as royalties/commissions/fees.

I'm not saying the above is perfect by any means but maybe it's a starting point for some discussion.

Without that clause, CCP could change its mind, charge us a fee for the license and we would only have 7 days to accept it or not like any other changes in the license agreements.

Since we have no intention of putting this license into effect anytime real soon there has been no need to act on the feedback in any kind of rapid fashion. We put it out for review as you guys were asking to see it.

This will come into effect first when we open the SSO signups to everyone, and before that happens we will be sure to respond to feedback.

Due to recent events: quote from another post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4925830#post4925830 I'm not sure if the current state of the license is already covering this topic. I know that the license covers "no benefits for money", but I'm not sure if this covers revenue from 3rd parties. Maybe the license you get updated to make this clear as well

• A player should not get any benefits (isk, features, etc) by using a service that creates revenue for the developer (example: click on banner ads, affiliate links, etc).

New, and probably final, version of the license is up: https://developers.testeveonline.com/resource/license-agreement