Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Everyone is a potential prey animal to gankers. In low or null, roles would switch from time to time.

Hisec isnt setup in such a way where gankers are a realistic choice to be prey, so they are able to stay in the role of the aggressor nearly indefinately. As a result, their 'losses' are generally limited to losses via opportunity cost

Haven't read all piece, but I saw too much protesters against such proposals chattering about that it's victim who is to blame as she stuffed her untanked t1 indie with stuff worh of billions and autopiloted it to destination. Well, this convinient worldview now became pretty much obsolete - I heard too much stories recently about people who lost their manuall pilotedtanked indies, having paltry ~200m worth loot in cargo. What next? We have to pilot ships with cargo worth of 50m manually next year, then it will be the time to take it seriously? It became too easy to pool and risk/effort/profit magnified by ease of multiply account creation and permission to use automation toos are too favorable to SG. I've never heard any SG whining about how hard his life is and how much efforts it takes from him to keep it moving. All of them refere to this activity as some fun and very profitable kind of farming.

That actually is the solution some of us have adopted. Just use enough dps to apply to the maximum potential situation given their fittings.

This however means that we have had to raise the minimum cargo value we can accept for a gank. And it notably increases the risk of getting hosed by the loot fairy.





Just like haulers. If you haul correctly, there is nearly zero risk. In fact if you haul correctly, you have less risk than a suicide ganker, because the loot fairy can't screw you over.





You do realize that you are allowed to die in highsec, right? I don't give two ****s how expensive your pretty little ship was, no one person should be immune to the concentrated efforts of more than a dozen other players, and it sounds like you are suggesting you should be.




Because we work for it. It's the same kind of advantage you would have, if you weren't so effort averse.



It would almost completely eliminate ganking and highsec piracy as a profession. Those things existing are something CCP supports and promotes as an aspect of the game.

So, I'll ask you a question.

What are you willing to give up in exchange for basically removing profitable ganking? I suggest that CONCORD stops existing at all. Why don't we let the players police one another as they see fit? What is so bad about that?

And I think that you're incorrectly discounting the risks that they do take, and incorrectly minimizing the responsibility the "victim" bears in abdicating his own self defense.




Did you actually read that guy's killboard? He has literally dozens of kills in the last 3 months of gankers who were attacked by him because they had killrights on them, costing them a ship for no gain.

They have plenty of risk. You just think that because it's not exactly the same kind of risk that a hauler has to deal with that it doesn't exist.

Yes, freighters should risk a billion plus, and their cargo. Because that's what they choose to risk. Their choices can and should have consequences.

He can see exactly how much his cargo is worth and exactly how much tank he has before he even undocks. How exactly are we at an advantage here? We need the hauler pilot to make all the mistakes.

Your seriously saying that we need to be nerfed because the hauler is making terrible choices?

This thread. I just don't even. How can so many gutless people exist in one place? Is this a troll?

The devs are reading this thread and laughing at all of you pathetic highsec-dwellers. They've got to be, it can serve no other purpose.

As someone who bases out of highsec (well-stocked markets are hard to argue with) I can say that I am ashamed for all of you. This is not WoW. It's nothing like WoW. Comparisons to WoW don't even belong here.

Maybe none of you realize this, but CCP has already officially stated (I believe it was at the CSM7 Winter Summit) that ganking is an important part of what keeps highsec balanced. Let me rephrase that in words you can understand:

If CCP nerfs the scary gankers, they'll nerf highsec into the ground too.

HTFU, STFU or GTFO. This isn't Mommy Hold My Hand Online. This is EVE. Everyone vs Everyone. You're not safe and you're not supposed to be safe. If you don't like it, leave. Nobody will miss you and nothing of value will be lost by one or two or fifty or even five thousand spineless cowards running back to their hand-holding themeparks instead of continuing to cry that highsec isn't safe enough for their little fantasies about being the invincible hero of everything.


"The ability to ruin someone else's day is the cornerstone upon which EVE was built." - CCP

Edit: For the record, I don't gank and I am beyond terrible at PvP - even 1v1. I even run missions and do exploration for fun rather than strictly for ISK. Even so, I still make a point of having a working familiarity with how ganks are done and what criteria make a target more interesting than others. That's the least a person should be required to do in highsec, for all the other protections that it gives.

Even with all the beariness I'll undoubtedly be accused of, I still think the people posting in this thread are so full of incompetence and impotent cowardice that they should feel compelled to biomass, unsub and uninstall.

I am saying you need nerfed because you can more or less predict your outcomes ahead of time and your losses are generally in the form of opportunity cost, while the losses of other operators are usually captial

And?

Why should we be nerfed (again) for doing our homework?

I think the teary-eyed bear known as "chaosgrimm" needs to learn anything at all about ganking, loot mechanics and just general economic principles.

Because other cant get information about gankers without several times more effort. And even if other decided to gather this information. It would not come close to the level of accuracy. It's not an balanced playing field.