Player Features and Ideas Discussion

gank risk is low when done right, all that can screw u over is the loot fairy or a prepared freighter pilot.
freighter hauling is just as low when done right, the only thing that can screw u over is a prepared gank squad.

ive never been ganked myself, done plenty of freighter runs.

Hauler can prevent nearly all losses by not putting a profitable amount in his hauler.
Hauling is low risk.

Yes, I see that you can read.


Not really. WoW doesn't have random non consensual PvP. Also, you have yet to show how the risk vs reward balance for ganking is off. Since you have obviously never ganked anyone yourself I don't think you are in a very good position to try and make such a case.


Both are equally valid motivations. And both result in slightly different and equally valid types of emergent game play.


So you decided to do something smart and let a professional take the risk for you with a suitable collateral. I think you may have discovered one of the common ways to counter gankers. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish when you put some thought into something? And once again, you have still failed to show that ganking is a low risk profession.

It's kinda like how since I don't run red lights, there is no risk to running red lights.


Did I get that right?

The risk/reward ratio of ganking is almost entirely determined by the victim.

And now that freighters have low slots, there are even more choices to make to that effect. I honestly don't know why they're complaining.

If a player wants completely safe freighting us the red/black/lilac/mauve/etc frog companies. Other hauling yourself either ATK or AFK includes risk. Factor that risk into anything you do and never assume it is safe. Losses will come but so what? Include that in your profit/loss and live with it.

Think of it in RL terms, the most lucrative oil routes go past Somalia that has pirates. The oil companies don't care, they simply take it as a cost of doing business there.

This is like saying ganking risk for the victims is low because they can choose to not transport their cargo through a system they are "unsure of". Sure, the risk is low, because nothing is happening.

On the other hand, my industry alt got ganked three times already, but after the first time I got smart. The second and third try then just lead to the ganker crashing and burning. Quite literally, after CONCORD arrived.

So a ganker has the same risk as his victims: The risk to be the stupid one.

The risk is not the same here.

A similar scenario might be that the hauler knows where all the ganking are, when they are active, and a rough idea of how much tank they would need to ensure said hauler survives and all the gankers get concorded.
They then delay their route until all the gankers are gone
or only travel through ganking groups that wont have enough dps to kill them
and /or reroute around the groups that could kill them.

The ganker takes on much lower risk because they can choose to let non ideal target by with no risk of a loss. The hauler doesnt get to wait for the ideal ganking group.

An alternative statement for your first sentence is that the hauler chooses to risk more. Many times the intent is that hauler is trying to earn higher profits. The difference is that that hauler doesnt know his chances of getting ganked, how much dps he's going to be ganked with, where the gank is going to happen, etc. The gankers control all this.

While i dont disagree that there are many tools and tactics available to aid in an activity like hauling, there are more tools and tactics available to the ganker, and said gankers have more and better starting information to enable them to make more informed decisions.

If not eliminating ganking, there should be more factors that are unknown to the gankers before hand. What if cargo scanners didnt exist? or someother factor(s) that didnt allow you to know if the gank attempt would be worthwhile beforehand?

I agree. Faster response times for concord in high sec, If you are 100% in warp you warp regardless of alignment (stops bumping)

The people that want to gank would whine and cry and complain..but the game would be better off and more new players would stay in the game.

Ever since they buffed ships dps ganking has run rampant. I remember when they had to use BC's to gank high sec mining ships. Now they show up with a few cheap destroyers and you are dead (unless you are in a skiff). I do admit in the case of mining there are options now, and in indy, I have been playing with the bustard and its not hard to get over 100k ehp on it.

Freighters should have power and cpu and low mid and high slots and rigs. IF the gankers don't like it, who cares. Where is the fairness when they can spend 300 miil to gank a ship that cost billions and carries billions more. If this was RL I would go to the ship yard and DEMAND more options on my freighter. OR at least the T2 freighters should have way more fitting options. Let that be the anti gank freighter. with its severely reduced cargo, it has no more options then a freighter. Surely a jump drive doesn't take up that much room. a Jump Freighter is the ONLY t2 Capital in the game and its sad the fitting options. I want the same fitting options as a carrier when it comes to defense (cap shield/armor reppers etc)

Let them venture into Low or Null if they want to live on the edge. Criminal activity in high sec has gotten out of hand.