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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#21 - 2014-06-06 20:44:51 UTC
I've never heard anyone say that afk mining was botting. Unless you can cite your source, I think you are just another butthurt carebear trying to put words in our mouths. Afk mining is afk mining. Botting is botting. Permitless mining is permitless mining. Autopiloting is autopiloting. Nobody is saying that all these things are botting, just that they are all violations of the Code. If you are curious what is and isn't permitted in high sec, read it for yourself.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

And yes, some people get too serious about it. I have alts who have been kicked from the minerbumping channel for no reason I can fathom, but whatever.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#22 - 2014-06-06 20:49:09 UTC
Subject 4927 wrote:
Honestly, the core idea of the CODE is the only reason I can bare them.

Poster boys like loyal and some of the others are killing the ganker image. I know we're all suppose to defend anybody who does what we do, but the CODE is just bad after you move past the core goal, which is something I support. I do it all, I gank, Awox, Spai, WD, and everything else that the masses hate. I try to repair the damaged image that some of those bros have broken. I ventured into their channel to talk up a bit, loyal can't seem to take a joke and kicked me rather quickly. I compare the hierarchy of CODE to most buttmad carebears who are subjected to my services.


I mean... uhh yea you're wrong. code4lyfe


Sorry, who are you?
Alternative Splicing
Captain Content and The Contenteers
#23 - 2014-06-06 20:59:30 UTC
John XIII wrote:
You are correct, low and null scares us... Roll


Honestly. Yes. It does, but not from scary people or spaceships; from bordem.

Big fat kills literally march like cattle unto their deaths in hisec, and sing a wonderful chorus of tears. Given a choice between a target rich environment, and the nothingness that is the stagnation of low and nullsec, I can't say I blame you much.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-06-06 21:24:42 UTC
YariLei wrote:
Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?


If you want to make isk from playing the market, you will have to babysit that market. Or, to put it in easier terms, the more time you spend babysitting your orders, the more isk you will make.

When CCP allows it, we will destroy stations to purge the market afk bots.

HTH.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#25 - 2014-06-06 22:26:24 UTC
YariLei wrote:
Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?


This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#26 - 2014-06-06 22:43:21 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
YariLei wrote:
Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?


This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.


Big smile

All talk no action. Go ahead, wardec us until the last Agent falls. Don't neglect those of us who operate outside of the CODE. alliance. I eagerly await meeting you on the field of battle.

"Highsec is worth fighting for." James 315

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#27 - 2014-06-06 22:50:50 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.


Okay,

1) No it isn't.
2) You should def wardec us brah, moon-walking with try-hards in system is our speciality.
3) Deal with it.

1) Edits: James 315, the Saviour of Highsec, "mess" should read "movement," "rants" should be removed entirely.
2) There is a legend that if you can link James 315 3 times in minerbumping without interruption he will appear. Some say there are other ways to summon him but I think those duders were trolling me tbh.
3) We like "NicePirates" maybe...
4) Don't go full monty on us brah, we say bot-aspirant behavior.
5) When we all voted for James 315 to lead highsec you agreed that those things were in fact, not a right.
6) We're making steady progress, NOH8.
7) Currently we have no plans to control nullsec.

gf

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-06-06 23:18:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE.
CCP disagrees, what they think actually matters, unlike yourself.

Quote:
I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.
Good luck with that Cool

Quote:
James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so.
If it's your right to go AFK, then it's other people right to punish you for not paying attention Roll
Quote:
If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.
The clue is in their parent organisation "The New Order Of HighsecStraight

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#29 - 2014-06-06 23:49:28 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.


Okay,

1) No it isn't.
2) You should def wardec us brah, moon-walking with try-hards in system is our speciality.
3) Deal with it.

1) Edits: James 315, the Saviour of Highsec, "mess" should read "movement," "rants" should be removed entirely.
2) There is a legend that if you can link James 315 3 times in minerbumping without interruption he will appear. Some say there are other ways to summon him but I think those duders were trolling me tbh.
3) We like "NicePirates" maybe...
4) Don't go full monty on us brah, we say bot-aspirant behavior.
5) When we all voted for James 315 to lead highsec you agreed that those things were in fact, not a right.
6) We're making steady progress, NOH8.
7) Currently we have no plans to control nullsec.





3) No I won't

5) I did NOT vote for this James315 whoever he is.

6) progress???

7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-06-07 00:26:22 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

5) I did NOT vote for this James315 whoever he is.

Of course you did. James315 cast your vote for you himself.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2014-06-07 00:33:43 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.


Go ahead and wardec them, if you feel that strongly about it. I double dog dare you.

Also, bingo.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-06-07 00:37:37 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.


It's funny because you think you matter.

A True Champion of High Security Space
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#33 - 2014-06-07 05:25:23 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.


It's funny because you think you matter.


Everyone knows that hisec miners have powerful friends in nullsec.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-06-07 05:44:39 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.


For realz, I totally LOL'd at that.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#35 - 2014-06-07 05:52:48 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
I've never heard anyone say that afk mining was botting.


We call it bot-aspirancy, not botting.

YariLei wrote:
I've seen CODE open fire on empty shuttles and rookie frigates just because they were AFK, which just seems odd.


And I've seen killmails where people had all kinds of shiny in their shuttle or rookie ship.

Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.


And yet I've never felt unwelcome in a CFC fleet on account of my New Order association. Perhaps you should stop speaking for all of nullsec. :)

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#36 - 2014-06-07 05:52:59 UTC
It's amazing every single day for the past fortnight we continue to kill freighters on a scale never before seen in eve. Unstoppable and Unopposed. People try but the code always wins.

Get a permit or be destroyed.

/thread
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#37 - 2014-06-07 06:20:40 UTC
YariLei wrote:
Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?



You agree botting is bad right? market bots ruin honest traders with their undercutting, mining bots lower the price of ore for honest code compliant miners making it harder for them to contribute to honest agents running costs and spam bots clutter local chat in the trade hubs making it harder for honest isk doublers to garner customers. But what is botting? well botting is having your computer play eve for you while you do something else.

Wether you are walking the dog while afk autopiloting or playing battlefield3 while afk mining IT DOESNT MATTER, you are having your computer play the game for you so you dont have to. Your as bad as an any bot and by fire you shall be purged for the good of the rest of us and the game. This game is the better with you being killed.

Say no to botting and to bot aspirancy: contact your local agent and get YOUR permit today.

Will gank for food
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2014-06-07 12:37:38 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

7) good, you WILL NOT be welcomed in nulsec, period.

all CODE members are welcome in nullsec, many fine code members are even in nullsec alliances
Subject 4927
DPS INC
Probably Up to No Good
#39 - 2014-06-07 12:49:09 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Subject 4927 wrote:
Honestly, the core idea of the CODE is the only reason I can bare them.

Poster boys like loyal and some of the others are killing the ganker image. I know we're all suppose to defend anybody who does what we do, but the CODE is just bad after you move past the core goal, which is something I support. I do it all, I gank, Awox, Spai, WD, and everything else that the masses hate. I try to repair the damaged image that some of those bros have broken. I ventured into their channel to talk up a bit, loyal can't seem to take a joke and kicked me rather quickly. I compare the hierarchy of CODE to most buttmad carebears who are subjected to my services.


I mean... uhh yea you're wrong. code4lyfe


Sorry, who are you?


Not a poster boy.

http://subjectandfriends.wordpress.com
Fallen SEAL
Wargasam
#40 - 2014-06-07 13:38:05 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OP - I've been trying to understand the deep immersion role player angle since I've started playing. I don't think I'll ever get it.

It's harmless until they start believing their made up play rules. It's hard to tell with the code guys. Most of them are deep immersion role players.



The New Order and CODE is not a Roleplaying Organization according to "their savior", see Here.

Quote:
There are so many misconceptions about the New Order. It doesn't qualify as a "roleplaying" organization.


They don't roleplay, they do it for "tears" apparently because it is some kind of imaginary harvestable commodity in their fantasy world.