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Quasi Banga
Whatever Brah
#1 - 2014-06-06 11:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Quasi Banga
Before the Kronos patch, my Dominix with the fit below was doing 750 DPS with Sentry Drones V and Drone Interfacing V.

After the kronos patch, the same Dominix is only doing 686 DPS. Yes, I have trained Gallente Drone Specialization to IV. At V it only gets to 698 DPS in EFT.

AttentionThere is no other skill that improves sentry drone damage so why did you do thise HUGE NERF? It's outrageous.

You ALWAYS said in the run-up to Kronos that drone damage would essentialyl STAY THE SAME... Thx a lot I guess I'll go sell my Dominix now.


[Dominix, 750DPS] ---> Is now doing 686 DPS... WTF.
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
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Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
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Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
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Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Federation Navy Garde x5
Garde II x5
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-06 11:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Quasi Banga wrote:
Before the Kronos patch, my Dominix with the fit below was doing 750 DPS


Really? Only 750? Maybe you need a new fit, patch or not. You should probably start by researching stacking penalties.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-06-06 11:13:52 UTC
Reading is hard.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#4 - 2014-06-06 11:16:35 UTC
battleships are for scrubs.

get an Ishtar. or some other HAC.
Quasi Banga
Whatever Brah
#5 - 2014-06-06 11:16:48 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Quasi Banga wrote:
Before the Kronos patch, my Dominix with the fit below was doing 750 DPS


Really? Only 750? Maybe you need a new fit, patch or not. You should probably start by researching stacking penalties.


Yeah it's an L4 mission runenr fit. Show me one that does better DPS. I bet that 5th DDA of yours is gonna make a huge difference.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-06-06 11:18:07 UTC
…and the lie was…?
Quasi Banga
Whatever Brah
#7 - 2014-06-06 11:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Quasi Banga
They did not increase the base states of the sentry drones enough to compensate for the change in the Drone Itnerfacing skill and the racial skills... Making this a stealth nerf.

Quote from the blog, because, you know, 'reading is hard':

"We will be minimizing this problem by reducing the bonus from the Drone Interfacing skill to 10% per level, and building the extra damage into the base stats of the drones."

They did NOT build the extra damage sufficiently in the sentry drones. The total damage output of Gardes, regardless of the ship or modules you use, was nerfed by approximately 8%.
Victor Andall
#8 - 2014-06-06 11:27:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Reading is hard.


Do you have an audio of this post? Thank you.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2014-06-06 11:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Quasi Banga wrote:
They did not increase the base states of the sentry drones enough to compensate for the change in the Drone Itnerfacing skill and the racial skills... Making this a stealth nerf.
How is it a stealth nerf when they were entirely open about what was going to happen and when many of the sentries received significant raw damage and damage application increases?

Quote:
They did NOT build the extra damage sufficiently in the sentry drones.
Yes they did. “Sentries” are not the same as Garde IIs, you know, and they never said that they would completely cancel out the change to Drone Interfacing.
Oh, and it's only 6.5% by the way in the worst case scenario.
Shad0wsFury
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
Seventh Sanctum.
#10 - 2014-06-06 11:36:35 UTC
CCP was quite clear that GARDE II were getting a small damage nerf. Other drones got a damage buff. CURATOR Is and IIs, for example, both got substantial damage and tracking buffs.

Maybe for PvE this isn't as awesome, that's not my department. But for PvP, buffed Amarr drones are total winsauce. To be honest, for PvP, I always found the range on Gardes too restricting anyway--like a blaster demios vs a pulse zealot.
brinelan
#11 - 2014-06-06 11:47:13 UTC
you will want to re-read the drone dev blog, especially the part where they said racial drones were being balanced on a scale between damage and speed.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/
brinelan
#12 - 2014-06-06 11:48:50 UTC
brinelan wrote:
you will want to re-read the drone dev blog, especially the part where they said racial drones were being balanced on a scale between damage and speed.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/


and really, 52 dps... wow.. are level 4's that hard to where 52 dps means the difference between you finishing the site and losing your ship?
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-06 11:49:52 UTC
Quasi Banga wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Quasi Banga wrote:
Before the Kronos patch, my Dominix with the fit below was doing 750 DPS


Really? Only 750? Maybe you need a new fit, patch or not. You should probably start by researching stacking penalties.


Yeah it's an L4 mission runenr fit. Show me one that does better DPS. I bet that 5th DDA of yours is gonna make a huge difference.


Before kronos fully skilled gardes II with 4x dda II were having 800 dps, now with 4x faction dda you will have 798 dps, so yes it is a small nerf just for gardes and for bouncers, but your numbers are still low.

CCPs spreadsheets probably dont allow more sentry damage than 800, and everyone has forgot how to design stuff without them.

CCP Fozzie wrote:

I'm seeing a fair bit of confusion about the details of the Sentry changes. I left the nitty gritty details out of the text section of the blog since they don't lend themselves to easy summaries and the actual numbers were in the spreadsheet, but I'll go over the end results of the changes to T1 and T2 sentries here so people can see the whole picture. These numbers assume max skills:

Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage
Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage
Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage
Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage

Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage
Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage
Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage
Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage
Quasi Banga
Whatever Brah
#14 - 2014-06-06 12:03:10 UTC
@ brinelan, the blog emphasises balance and never mentions a damage reduction

@ Barton: Thank you for that quote from Fozzie I never saw that. Whereas everyone else just comes in to bash in the thread you actually provided the only useful information. As for the 800dps, that's with Gallente BS V, my fit was with BS IV should have mentioned that. Also now we apparently must get blingbling DDAs to get the same damage projection...

Thread can be closed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2014-06-06 12:11:52 UTC
Quasi Banga wrote:
@ brinelan, the blog emphasises balance and never mentions a damage reduction
Uhm… yes it does.

Quote:
@ Barton: Thank you for that quote from Fozzie I never saw that. Whereas everyone else just comes in to bash in the thread you actually provided the only useful information. As for the 800dps, that's with Gallente BS V, my fit was with BS IV should have mentioned that. Also now we apparently must get blingbling DDAs to get the same damage projection...
So in other words, you decided to complain a lot without having informed yourself first. Goodie. That would explain why you have this odd notion that DDAs will help with your damage projection.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2014-06-06 16:53:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…and the lie was…?



Cake. The ultimate lie. Not to mention that its spongy and delicate nature cannot hold up to the rigors of character personification.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2014-06-06 17:10:18 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and the lie was…?



Cake. The ultimate lie. Not to mention that its spongy and delicate nature cannot hold up to the rigors of character personification.

Having enlisted the help of my children, I can indeed confirm that cake, though delicious , cannot be relied upon for use in dramatic reenactment of Logan's run, time machine or day of the trifids.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#18 - 2014-06-06 17:12:14 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and the lie was…?



Cake. The ultimate lie. Not to mention that its spongy and delicate nature cannot hold up to the rigors of character personification.

Having enlisted the help of my children, I can indeed confirm that cake, though delicious , cannot be relied upon for use in dramatic reenactment of Logan's run, time machine or day of the trifids.


Soylent Green, on the other hand.......

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#19 - 2014-06-06 17:50:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and the lie was…?



Cake. The ultimate lie. Not to mention that its spongy and delicate nature cannot hold up to the rigors of character personification.

Having enlisted the help of my children, I can indeed confirm that cake, though delicious , cannot be relied upon for use in dramatic reenactment of Logan's run, time machine or day of the trifids.


Soylent Green, on the other hand.......


Negative. No amount of confectionary goodness can channel Charlton Heston without exploding.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#20 - 2014-06-06 17:53:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and the lie was…?



Cake. The ultimate lie. Not to mention that its spongy and delicate nature cannot hold up to the rigors of character personification.

Having enlisted the help of my children, I can indeed confirm that cake, though delicious , cannot be relied upon for use in dramatic reenactment of Logan's run, time machine or day of the trifids.


Soylent Green, on the other hand.......


Negative. No amount of confectionary goodness can channel Charlton Heston without exploding.


Actually I was thinking about the heart breaking and moving role played by Burgess Meredith

Something warm and sweet is needed when you see that part, and even more so when you here the story behind it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann