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Star Citizen vs Eve Online...The Movie

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Liviticus Osbourne
Team Domino
#41 - 2014-06-06 14:17:07 UTC
Pfft, star citizen. No real risk intended. NOW if CCP put pubs in stations to interact with others there would be no real reason for SC.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-06-06 14:18:45 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think what most people miss is the fact that the people that will leave Eve for Star Citizen are not the type of people who post on these forums, but instead it is the quiet majority of players, the casual players, who will quit Eve for Star Citizen.

You guys can go on and one about "good riddance", and the "right type of Eve player", but what you say and think is irrelevant. What the group that don't come to the forums, who interact with the meta-game a tiny amount, or not at all, it matters what they think.


This is true

Im so glad you are one of us forum posters, and not the majority, Dino

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#43 - 2014-06-06 14:36:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think what most people miss is the fact that the people that will leave Eve for Star Citizen are not the type of people who post on these forums, but instead it is the quiet majority of players, the casual players, who will quit Eve for Star Citizen.

You guys can go on and one about "good riddance", and the "right type of Eve player", but what you say and think is irrelevant. What the group that don't come to the forums, who interact with the meta-game a tiny amount, or not at all, it matters what they think.

Kronos may have given them some pretty new models to play with, and some new sites to crack, but fundamentally not a lot of things changed in the game. And Crius is going to hit this group like a baseball bat to the back of the head.

So continue to post your views on Star Citizen. They are not being read by SC's target audience, and even if they are, they don't care about those views. The only thing that matters is when SC goes live, how many people quit Eve for SC, and it won't be people who are reading this thread.


Isn't there some sort of rule of thumb for the percentage of forum posters who theoretically represent the number of the whole? I always figured something like 10%, if there are 10 posters then 100 people share the same opinion, but that's just a number I wiped with.

In any case, the EvE posting community is very good about preaching to the choir and ridiculing any dissenting views. Maybe the criticism towards SC is warranted, maybe not. I really don't know because I've stopped paying attention to any dev news until it releases or is confirmed it never will. All I know is I will definitely spend the money to check it out, because it may suck or it may be exactly what I was looking for, which really is the point of competition is to cater to different needs. The people who play and love eve do so because they like what it has to offer, or they play because they feel like it is the closest thing that offers what they are looking for. The latter group is rooting for anything fresh that may hit closer to the mark.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-06-06 14:45:31 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
That's not a bad review. He highlights a lot of relevant points. It's a shame he quit Eve over Dust Sad

The thing to note with all of these new releases, which he mentions, they don't have the community Eve does. And probably never will.

not having the, um, 'community' EVE does might be one of its bigger pIus points.
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#45 - 2014-06-06 14:48:33 UTC
I was one of the early guys getting such a golden card and such (for free fortunately) in the beginning. I was a big fan of the Wing Commander franchise, and as such the idea of Chris Roberts doing an MMORPG was nice.

But when i asked if we could play as Kilrathi (or whats the alien race called now.) on their facebook there was much avoiding the question, so i decided to not back the kickstarter.

If i can't play as kilrathi and blow them hairless apes out of the sky, the game is worthless anyway. I still follow the news, but development so far have shown me the game is going to be pretty substandard and not interesting at all. If the game is not vaporware that is.
Strat Plan
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-06-06 14:50:11 UTC
Star Citizen isn't even an MMO its a massivley Expandable version of Wing Commander. A great game in its own right but no competitor to Eve online.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#47 - 2014-06-06 14:53:11 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
I was one of the early guys getting such a golden card and such (for free fortunately) in the beginning. I was a big fan of the Wing Commander franchise, and as such the idea of Chris Roberts doing an MMORPG was nice.

But when i asked if we could play as Kilrathi (or whats the alien race called now.) on their facebook there was much avoiding the question, so i decided to not back the kickstarter.

If i can't play as kilrathi and blow them hairless apes out of the sky, the game is worthless anyway. I still follow the news, but development so far have shown me the game is going to be pretty substandard and not interesting at all. If the game is not vaporware that is.


You just want to roleplay Ralgha nar Hallas, don't you?

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Othran
Route One
#48 - 2014-06-06 15:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Decent comparison IMHO.

The problem for Star Citizen will be the same for pretty much all instanced games - the economy is too small to function without npc involvement which makes things predictable. Eve had the same problem at launch so there was npc buy orders up all over the place - single server meant CCP could gradually phase the npc "traders" out of the game for anything other than seeding skills/BPOs/missions.

A predictable market usually equals rampant inflation within a year or so - clever kids get rich first, takes the majority a long time to work things out.

That was the case in Eve too in the days when "downtime haulers" could buy/haul required items before DT then login & fill every npc order in the region immediately after DT. Predictable market & those able to benefit got very rich very fast.

The player-based economy drives Eve but it requires a single server as you need a critical mass of players to lose the npc "support".

Take away the economy of Eve & I doubt any of us (even PvPrs) would be playing it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2014-06-06 15:24:16 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think what most people miss is the fact that the people that will leave Eve for Star Citizen are not the type of people who post on these forums, but instead it is the quiet majority of players, the casual players, who will quit Eve for Star Citizen.
You mean the majority that enjoys PvP, more so than any other activity in the game?
Yeah, no, they're not very likely to move to SC since it doesn't offer that kind of PvP.
Strawberry Shortcake69
Hyperion Corporation
#50 - 2014-06-06 15:32:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think what most people miss is the fact that the people that will leave Eve for Star Citizen are not the type of people who post on these forums, but instead it is the quiet majority of players, the casual players, who will quit Eve for Star Citizen.
You mean the majority that enjoys PvP, more so than any other activity in the game?
Yeah, no, they're not very likely to move to SC since it doesn't offer that kind of PvP.



This is it.
Victor Andall
#51 - 2014-06-06 15:36:46 UTC
So people will migrate from EVE to a game that doesn't exist?

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#52 - 2014-06-06 15:42:07 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think what most people miss is the fact that the people that will leave Eve for Star Citizen are not the type of people who post on these forums, but instead it is the quiet majority of players, the casual players, who will quit Eve for Star Citizen.

You guys can go on and one about "good riddance", and the "right type of Eve player", but what you say and think is irrelevant. What the group that don't come to the forums, who interact with the meta-game a tiny amount, or not at all, it matters what they think.

Kronos may have given them some pretty new models to play with, and some new sites to crack, but fundamentally not a lot of things changed in the game. And Crius is going to hit this group like a baseball bat to the back of the head.

So continue to post your views on Star Citizen. They are not being read by SC's target audience, and even if they are, they don't care about those views. The only thing that matters is when SC goes live, how many people quit Eve for SC, and it won't be people who are reading this thread.


I don't think this is quite accurate.

Based on statics, yes forums posters and the minority, they always are, however, they tend to be a large enough sample size that you can get really good data on what the community as whole believe. If eve has 500k accounts, and lets go with 250k subscribers (everyone has 2 accounts) and lets say you have an average of 2500 people who post on the forums that's a sample size of 1%, which you can get a rather decent sized picture of the whole.

As an aside, I'm not much of a pvper, I tend to be a middle of the road player, I do industry and boring crap, I die a lot, and only pvp if I feel like it (which is rare) yet eve, is the only game that pretty much offers nearly everything I want in an mmo.

Now, will some people quit eve to play SC? sure, this happens all the time. People left when STO came out, SW:TOR, LOTRO, ETC. Some don't come back, some return and bring friends with them, and others just return.

Usually, people return because the game gets borning, and dull. Or, they find that eve has something they want and other games are lacking. I think, SC will have an impact on eve, but tbh I doubt you will see people leave in droves. Even if its an awesome game, there are plently of people who will play both games, or leave for a bit and come back. As I said in other threads, SC and ED could be GOOD for ccp. If they light fires undr there butts and get them to fix and improve eve, then i'm all for competition. But, SC is a different beast then eve, some eve players will love it, some will like it, some will meh about it. Its still serveal years off, I doubt we will see it till 2016, esp with them pushing back DFM a few months to recently.

Anyway, my point is, the only reason people think ti will hurt eve is the hype. But hype is hype. Roberts track record of brining out everything he wants compaired to whats released is not very good. The game that comes out is a fraction of what he wanted, and is good, but not even close to what was promised. Only time will tell, and I have a feeling, SC will not play or be how people think it will and we will see a lot less hype when its out.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2014-06-06 15:43:22 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
So people will migrate from EVE to a game that doesn't exist?

…and that doesn't do anything that EVE does. I suppose tons of people will migrate from EVE to Wasteland 2 as well.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#54 - 2014-06-06 15:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Tippia wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
So people will migrate from EVE to a game that doesn't exist?

…and that doesn't do anything that EVE does. I suppose tons of people will migrate from EVE to Wasteland 2 as well.


I "migrated" to World Of Tanks, but left because of the lack of Walking in Sangars

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-06-06 15:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
It's always been baffling that people think SC will be a competitor for Eve just because it's set in space. The entire premise is idiotic.

SC does do a bangup job producing cinematic trailers and blog posts about their latest crowdfunding milestone, though. Lol

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2014-06-06 16:06:58 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's always been baffling that people think SC will be a competitor for Eve just because it's set in space. The entire premise is idiotic.
Solaris is basically the same film for the same audience as Armageddon, isn't it?
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#57 - 2014-06-06 16:09:27 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
I was one of the early guys getting such a golden card and such (for free fortunately) in the beginning. I was a big fan of the Wing Commander franchise, and as such the idea of Chris Roberts doing an MMORPG was nice.

But when i asked if we could play as Kilrathi (or whats the alien race called now.) on their facebook there was much avoiding the question, so i decided to not back the kickstarter.

If i can't play as kilrathi and blow them hairless apes out of the sky, the game is worthless anyway. I still follow the news, but development so far have shown me the game is going to be pretty substandard and not interesting at all. If the game is not vaporware that is.


You just want to roleplay Ralgha nar Hallas, don't you?


No.

I want to roleplay Thrakhath nar Kiranka.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#58 - 2014-06-06 16:13:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's always been baffling that people think SC will be a competitor for Eve just because it's set in space. The entire premise is idiotic.
Solaris is basically the same film for the same audience as Armageddon, isn't it?


People who like terrible movies? Yeah pretty much

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2014-06-06 16:16:02 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's always been baffling that people think SC will be a competitor for Eve just because it's set in space. The entire premise is idiotic.
Solaris is basically the same film for the same audience as Armageddon, isn't it?

People who like terrible movies? Yeah pretty much

Pff. Just because you haven't eaten your Pretentional™ pills. Tarkovsky > all.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#60 - 2014-06-06 16:17:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's always been baffling that people think SC will be a competitor for Eve just because it's set in space. The entire premise is idiotic.
Solaris is basically the same film for the same audience as Armageddon, isn't it?

People who like terrible movies? Yeah pretty much

Pff. Just because you haven't eaten your Pretentional™ pills. Tarkovsky > all.


Oh sorry, Im an idiot

I thought you meant the remake


I cant stand space-madness

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann