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Imbalance and the Inability to Avoid It

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-06-06 11:56:11 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Point is this game is getting very stale. Skill doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is who can buy more PLEX than the other guy will win. I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. It simply isnt fun being blobbed or honestly blobbing people. Unfortunately that is the lame nature of this game. I cant stand being in fights that last 5 secconds.

The writing style and avatar design looks so familiar. I just can't put my finger on it..

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Azurius Dante
Banana Corp
#62 - 2014-06-06 12:01:09 UTC
Just because YOU don't know how to make ISK, doesn't make ISK making impossible :)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#63 - 2014-06-06 12:15:58 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
galentee keeps getting nerfed <-- just an example: Ishtar is the HAC FOTM



Quote:
Ship point values are as follows. Ship types not listed in the table are not allowed.

Previous Alliance Tournament prize ships that have both T2 and Faction status fall under their T2 classes for point values.

Marauder - 26
Dominix - 20
Battleship (other than the Dominix) - 17
Ishtar - 14
Heavy Assault Cruiser (other than the Ishtar) - 12


Some fine gallente balancing there.


In other words ... Gallente > others.

Not really sure what you're getting at here...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#64 - 2014-06-06 12:16:08 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
...

Nope. Unless he completely changed to somebody else, of course.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Doreen Kaundur
#65 - 2014-06-06 12:53:54 UTC
"Imbalance and the Inability to Avoid It"

Thought this was a thread about sobriety tests. Sad

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#66 - 2014-06-06 13:49:08 UTC
Considering not one single "fact" cited in the OP is correct

Why is this thread even open?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#67 - 2014-06-06 14:04:49 UTC
Just throwing this in here. I asked one of our new guys how much money he had made (we live in lowsec). He said he had 2 billion. I asked how he gained so much ISK as a new player in just two months. His answer? By picking up the trash you guys leave behind. Looking at the SP one can gain in two months and the ships one can fly by that time, I'd say his ISK making capacities exeed his ship-flying ones, which is an excellent position to start from.
Mario Putzo
#68 - 2014-06-06 14:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
If you want to make money, don't go to populated places and expect them to leave you be. If you want to make Isk in Nullsec, go to Tribute, or Vale of the Silent. This space is literally empty 23/7. You might see the odd group rip through, or the odd dude running sites but for the most part its pretty safe...just need to be smart.

From Jan - March of this year I made ~13B farming complexes in Tribute and Vale in my Macherial. I kept an active Dscan and never lost a ship. Of course I had previously gone in and made a pile of deep safes in these regions as well so there is some pre planning you need to do.

However the money is in Mordus BPC. Which you can get to pretty easily in the equally less populated regions of Lowsec. Steer clear of main pipes and you can pretty much farm forever and ever alone in the quiet. I use my Stratios for that because it lets me do some exploration and hunt for Mordus ships. No deep safes needed either, since you can dock up if anything scary comes through.

You just need to lose the risk averse attitude. Yes you might lose a ship, yes you might run into a gate camp and die, but if you take 5 minutes and look at the statistics maps you can see where there is lots of activity, and just go the other way.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#69 - 2014-06-06 14:50:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong
Yes, the point is indeed wrong by virtue of it's inherently contradictory. If it was impossible to make ISK without buying PLEX, there would be no ISK to exchange for those PLEXes. The PLEX prices right now ar just a bubble anyway — the same ISK bouncing back and forth between speculators.

Your other point is also wrong: wasting more money on PLEX doesn't mean you win. It only means you lose more real-life cash on a futile hope that you'll be able to compensate a lack of skill with more shinies. Fortunately, the game doesn't work that way.


It is true that if it was impossible to make ISK then it would be impossible to buy PLEX with ISK. But equally so if some people didn't buy PLEX with RL cash and put the PLEX on the market or in contracts then you wouldn't be able to buy PLEX with ISK.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#70 - 2014-06-06 14:59:20 UTC
See, I buy plex to make isk, that way I have isk to buy plex to pay for my monthly sub. I got this all figured out.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#71 - 2014-06-06 15:44:55 UTC
My alts 3 B (chump change I know) was made with zero plex. Market and industry are becoming fun and lucartive things for me. :)

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Skabet
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#72 - 2014-06-06 15:47:26 UTC
I can offer you a loan as long as you pay the vig each week.

Make an apointment through my secretary in game.

Regard Lee
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#73 - 2014-06-06 16:28:36 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
arnt 1 man corps super expensive?

Join brave newbies. They will help you find a way to make isk that you enjoy. Even some you dont or didnt know you could do.

Dont have to be new to join.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-06-06 16:49:07 UTC
Mana Shian wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game.

At the risk of sounding clichéd, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it.

Basically this. Yesterday we 6v1'ed (if you can call it that) a solo noob rifter in a belt while laughing at the people yelling at us in local. Not an hour later, our t1 frigate gang got blopsed by six redeemers a panther and a sin. Was hilarious, and we think they spent more on fuel than we did on our ships. (they may have gotten some neutral AF's that were on grid, not sure).

There's always a bigger fish.

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-06-06 17:25:20 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. .


Guess you have never beeen to low sec. You can get a 1v1 within 10 min of going into the faction warfare zones pretty much any day at any time. Also I must be bad as I never bought plexes for isk... You know then I cant win...
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-06-06 17:30:54 UTC
Grunanca wrote:
Guess you have never beeen to low sec.

Sadly, he has. Employment history (and KB) show a couple of weeks in one of the largest Caldari FW Corps.

So either troll or inability to learn.

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Spurty
#77 - 2014-06-06 17:53:37 UTC
Op you have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many 'talking points' in your post to ever get heard.

BLOBS

1) Politics has created a very dull sov map.
1a) There are effectively 4 massive entities
1b) They can't fight each other (even if they wanted to)
1c) Some agreement 4 people signed holds their members (what is that? way over 80,000 players) hostage to an uneasy peaceful existence
1d) CCPs dream of 1000s of players shooting each other can only ever happen 1 time in every 365 days rather than 365 times a year

We ALL get point 1. Those in the massive entities get it as well and apply it. Only CCP can solve that one by spoiling the milk. Its probably comforting for them to not have any meaningful PVP to worry about. CCP however should find it hard to sleep at night. This is not 'hard core' gaming. Oh well. At least the IRC still has nice shiny ships to look at.


ISK
2) You want to make lots of ISK
2a) and apparently you want to make 700mill at the push of a button rather than grinding for it
2b) plex are a very nice way to move ISK from those that grind
2c) Mining rocks, shoot an NPC, run a moon tower or build ships, you are grinding) to those of us with little time for that sort of activity.
2d) No one started EVE with piles of ISK. It was accumulated by 'effort' by the 99% of us. Sure less than 1% got 'helped' :D

First off Point 2 is not affected by Point 1. All the 'evidence' to corollary a connection would be coincidental at best. There are combat ships which use cloaking devices that can happily exist outside of the 4 'friends' that have their stamp on null. if you have the skills and balls to risk some ISK, you can make a ton of it.

Think outside the box a bit (hint, use wormholes to enter and leave, stop trying to crash lame-o 2007 gate camps).

Or, you know, just 'join em'.

To conclude: EVE mechanics are being played perfectly. If those mechanics displease you, until CCP change them, you need to HTFU.


Brrrr, Grrr, Nrrrr ,Srrrr - this is the song of the Null People. They are at the door. Will you answer please, I'm AFK!


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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#78 - 2014-06-06 17:58:18 UTC
Apparently, geopolitics and diplomacy have no place in a game

It should be about as much pointless pew as possible

Risk > Civilisation, according to the majority of forum posters, it seems

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#79 - 2014-06-06 18:08:04 UTC
Show us on the doll where the dirty nullblobbers touched the SS Entitlement....




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
flakeys
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-06-06 18:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Since you don't seem to be trolling, I'll try to explain:

galentee keeps getting nerfed <-- just an example: Ishtar is the HAC FOTM

it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX <-- I'm a younger player than you and make a couple billion/month with less than an hour/day effort

PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it <-- have a look at any lowsec alliance/corp killboard

Skill doesnt matter <-- same as above

People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you <-- same as above, click on 'solo' on zkillboard

Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight <-- same as above

I think Faction Warfare would suit your in-game goals, as I perceive them. Your employment history shows 10 days in a Caldari FW Corp. If that didn't work out, try another one.



Look at his posting history , the only post he made before this was a thread he started when he WAS in fw wich was something along the lines of '' OMG it's SO unfair that neuts/pies can enter my fw sites and pewpew me , CCP change this ASAP'' .

Speaking for myself i however completely agree with aall your points Gully .You will get blobbed in FW from time to time too BUT there are solo fights to be found there.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.