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Imbalance and the Inability to Avoid It

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-06-06 09:07:57 UTC
Since you don't seem to be trolling, I'll try to explain:

galentee keeps getting nerfed <-- just an example: Ishtar is the HAC FOTM

it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX <-- I'm a younger player than you and make a couple billion/month with less than an hour/day effort

PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it <-- have a look at any lowsec alliance/corp killboard

Skill doesnt matter <-- same as above

People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you <-- same as above, click on 'solo' on zkillboard

Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight <-- same as above

I think Faction Warfare would suit your in-game goals, as I perceive them. Your employment history shows 10 days in a Caldari FW Corp. If that didn't work out, try another one.

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Dave Stark
#42 - 2014-06-06 09:10:35 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
galentee keeps getting nerfed

it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX

PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it

Skill doesnt matter

People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you

Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight
All of those things you wrote are simply not true, as is obvious to anyone that actually plays the game.

If they seem true 'in your head', you're wrong. Simple as that.

...So I am either plain wrong or I dont play this game. I am very sure I play this game so that one is out the window.


well at least you know that you're wrong, then.
Marsha Mallow
#43 - 2014-06-06 09:19:11 UTC
Why do people with this complaint always blame the game? You can list any mechanic you like, but I'm pretty sure it's you. Doing something wrong.

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Veld San
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-06-06 10:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Veld San
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned...

That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal.

You gotta have people to put into the tools...


What tools ? In a 5-10 man corp taking on the CFC, please list the provided tools. I'm new and I'm very much interested in what I am missing so such a list will be very helpful. The Bigger your list the better. FYI we fly mostly T1 frigs, destroyers and cruisers. Not sure about all those tools you bring up, pls pls pls make a list for us, because so far we've been juts gankign miners and ratters here and there and it got boring so we're ready for all those provided tools to be used, but we're not sure what they are.

Pls Pls Pls give us a hint how to take out some sov in a 10 man group, with all those provided tools, we really would like to see the list.

Edit: we fly T1 frigs destroyers and cruisers.

thanks for the assistance.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-06-06 10:07:03 UTC
Veld San wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned...

That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal.

You gotta have people to put into the tools...


What tools ? In a 5-10 man corp taking on the CFC, please list the provided tools. I'm new and I'm very much interested in what I am missing so such a list will be very helpful. The Bigger your list the better. FYI we fly mostly T1 frigs, destroyers and cruisers. Not sure about all those tools you bring up, pls pls pls make a list for us, because so far we've been juts gankign miners and ratters here and there and it got boring so we're ready for all those provided tools to be used, but we're not sure what they are.

Pls Pls Pls give us a hint how to take out some sov in a 10 man group, with all those provided tools, we really would like to see the list.

Edit: we fly T1 frigs destroyers and cruisers.

thanks for the assistance.

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Jered Hakaaros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-06-06 10:23:21 UTC
Veld San wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned...

That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal.

You gotta have people to put into the tools...


What tools ? In a 5-10 man corp taking on the CFC, please list the provided tools. I'm new and I'm very much interested in what I am missing so such a list will be very helpful. The Bigger your list the better. FYI we fly mostly T1 frigs, destroyers and cruisers. Not sure about all those tools you bring up, pls pls pls make a list for us, because so far we've been juts gankign miners and ratters here and there and it got boring so we're ready for all those provided tools to be used, but we're not sure what they are.

Pls Pls Pls give us a hint how to take out some sov in a 10 man group, with all those provided tools, we really would like to see the list.

Edit: we fly T1 frigs destroyers and cruisers.

thanks for the assistance.


Yes please show me those tools too, because I totally agree that it should be possible to destroy the combined effort of tens of thousands of players over many years with a 10-man corp in a matter of weeks, and if possible pls make it doable in destros or cruisers cause everything else is too expensive.
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-06-06 10:23:30 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
So it has become more and more difficult to have make Isk due to hostle blobs everywhere exept hi sec. On top of this galentee keeps getting nerfed. The only way ive found that it is possile to make isk is by carebear mining*gasp* but that is so far from being a sustainable income for one account.

Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong because I already subscribe to the game. I shouldent have to pay for other parts of the game due the fact I already pay to play.

PvP- Blob or be blobed. PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it. It is all about who has more guns on field.

This sad fact makes CCP's balencing of the game USELESS. My 100 rookie ships will kill your tens of billions worth of blinged out Battleships anyday.

Point is this game is getting very stale. Skill doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is who can buy more PLEX than the other guy will win. I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. It simply isnt fun being blobbed or honestly blobbing people. Unfortunately that is the lame nature of this game. I cant stand being in fights that last 5 secconds.

Long story short I do not feel like my subscription fee's are fair for what I get. Now we have to pay for ship paint jobs too plus being allowed to use our charicter slots? We already subscribe. I just feel ripped off. CCP needs to worry less about balencing ships and actually making good fights in the game. Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight.



EvE isn't about how much SP or money you have, its about what you know and how you use it. Yes if you have 100 rookie ships and I am alone, then I know I more then likely wont win a fight. Instead I choose not to fight that battle. I use what I know, to avoid the fight, and find another fight that suites my abilities. And there are fights out there to be had where a solo pilot can win vs 1 or many. It happens all the time.

As far as making money goes, its easier now to make money then it has ever been.
C4+ wh living
0.0 ratting
incursions
lvl 4 missions
Lowsec exploration
wh day tripping
lowsec belt ratting
highsec exploration
mining

All of which pays out a lot better then it used to for newer players as you get better skills quicker then you ever have before.

Inbalance in numbers is a social problem and one that is fairly easy to avoid. Inbalace in money is your problem, and is easy to solve.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-06-06 10:26:23 UTC
Jered Hakaaros wrote:
Yes please show me those tools too, because I totally agree that it should be possible to destroy the combined effort of tens of thousands of players over many years with a 10-man corp in a matter of weeks, and if possible pls make it doable in destros or cruisers cause everything else is too expensive.

Well, you could try to get Mittani to go crazy and disband GSF. Lol You don't even need frigates for that.

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Solecist Project
#49 - 2014-06-06 10:32:18 UTC
Just a troll.

Nobody is that dumb.... except the people falling for it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#50 - 2014-06-06 10:40:08 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Just a troll.

Nobody is that dumb.... except the people falling for it.


Dont underestimate people's stupidity.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2014-06-06 10:40:32 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
You could beat 20 Intercepters in 1 Battleship no questions asked?


I would chose the Rattlesnake, it would win every time.
Solecist Project
#52 - 2014-06-06 10:42:36 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Just a troll.

Nobody is that dumb.... except the people falling for it.


Dont underestimate people's stupidity.

Whenever I see your name I think of ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PEFKq6NxV8

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Velicitia
XS Tech
#53 - 2014-06-06 10:46:45 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Mana Shian wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game.

At the risk of sounding clichéd, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it.

With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better...


Your stuff,

Can I haz?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lexmana
#54 - 2014-06-06 10:50:56 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
well I just dont know how to respond other than I wish you were in my head and saw things how I do.

You want all of us to quit?
Solecist Project
#55 - 2014-06-06 10:51:03 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Mana Shian wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game.

At the risk of sounding clichéd, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it.

With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better...


Your stuff,

Can I haz?

Do YOU have a canoe that I could borrow please?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Velicitia
XS Tech
#56 - 2014-06-06 11:08:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Mana Shian wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game.

At the risk of sounding clichéd, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it.

With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better...


Your stuff,

Can I haz?

Do YOU have a canoe that I could borrow please?


I have an Iteron that I'll name "canoe" if that'll work.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-06-06 11:09:15 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:


Long story short I joined Volition Cult and became bad at EVE because of it.


/thread

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Velicitia
XS Tech
#58 - 2014-06-06 11:14:43 UTC
Veld San wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned...

That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal.

You gotta have people to put into the tools...


What tools ? In a 5-10 man corp taking on the CFC, please list the provided tools. I'm new and I'm very much interested in what I am missing so such a list will be very helpful. The Bigger your list the better. FYI we fly mostly T1 frigs, destroyers and cruisers. Not sure about all those tools you bring up, pls pls pls make a list for us, because so far we've been juts gankign miners and ratters here and there and it got boring so we're ready for all those provided tools to be used, but we're not sure what they are.

Pls Pls Pls give us a hint how to take out some sov in a 10 man group, with all those provided tools, we really would like to see the list.

Edit: we fly T1 frigs destroyers and cruisers.

thanks for the assistance.


How to take SOV as a 10-man corp (note, I'm reading "group" as "corp").

1. you dont. Sov can only be held by an alliance.

So, now that we've got that covered.

1. Make an alliance (1bn fee at the outset, followed by 2m ISK/month per corp).
2. Grow in empire, NPC null, or w-space
3. Invade Sov Null, and claim the space as your own.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#59 - 2014-06-06 11:35:10 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
galentee keeps getting nerfed <-- just an example: Ishtar is the HAC FOTM



Quote:
Ship point values are as follows. Ship types not listed in the table are not allowed.

Previous Alliance Tournament prize ships that have both T2 and Faction status fall under their T2 classes for point values.

Marauder - 26
Battleship, Pirate Faction – 20
Dominix - 20
Battleship, Navy Faction - 19
Battleship (other than the Dominix) - 17
Black Ops Battleship - 17
Command Ship - 16
Strategic Cruiser - 16
Recon Ship - 14
Battlecruiser, Navy Faction – 14
Ishtar - 14
Battlecruiser (including the Gnosis) - 13
Logistics Cruiser - 13
Heavy Assault Cruiser (other than the Ishtar) - 12
Cruiser, Faction - 12
Heavy Interdictor - 11
Tech 1 Support Cruiser - 10
Cruiser - 6
Electronic Attack Frigate - 6
Frigate, Faction - 4
Assault Frigate - 4
Tech 1 Disruption Frigate – 4
Covert Ops Ship - 4
Interdictor – 4
Stealth Bomber - 4
Interceptor - 3
Destroyer - 3
Tech 1 Industrial Ships - 3
Frigate - 2


Some fine gallente balancing there.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#60 - 2014-06-06 11:40:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX

lol no.


Not empty quoting. If you think you can't make money in this game, you need to get better at the thinks.

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