Crime & Punishment

Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?

Dryson? Is that you?

I'm sorry our game play troubles you so deeply. However PvP is player vs player, seeing as we are killing players, not npcs you are incorrect. I belive we have some of the most elite pvpers in the game and this has been covered in many threads before.

As for op, I don't understand ur question, the market is like a shop where people go to buy things, think sitting on a shelf. This cannot be compared to Autopiloting through space or afk mining. As you are letting the game do all the work for you. The market player has already done the work to get to that point for their potential reward, where by autopikoting is letting the game get the reward for you .

let's be honest the only reason you think you can autopilot is because u feel highsec is safe, we are the reminder it isn't and shouldn't be. I would suggest 're reading the code for your answers, as they are found in there.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

I don't even.

OP - I've been trying to understand the deep immersion role player angle since I've started playing. I don't think I'll ever get it.

It's harmless until they start believing their made up play rules. It's hard to tell with the code guys. Most of them are deep immersion role players. I think most of them just enjoy the pretend space police thing. I don't think more that half actually believe in it. It's one of those things where you'll never be able to tell the role players for the true believers.

Big picture - they don't really matter. There are far more serious space ships issues than a bunch of empire role players in catalysts. If they really bother you - just leave empire - they won't come after you. Jump out of empire and watch their little role player faces get smashed up against the low sec window as they watch you pilot away into dangerous places they fear to go.

Thank you for the links and posts so far!

The question above is pretty much all about how you define yourself and your principles. Simply the contradiction where CODE guidelines criminalize botting is a little vague, if you define autopiloting as botting because the pilot that is on autopilot is taking advantage of a game mechanism that doesn't require any input from the user, other than clicking the button to turn it on. Similarly, a market player clicks "sell"-button and then waits for game mechanics to work. Defining AFK activity (instead of, lets say, the loot value of your ship which in the case of a mining ship might be reasonable) as a reason to shoot, it incriminates yourselves as pretty much every player in Eve takes part in some form of AFK activities every day, including yourselves.

As I've said, I don't mind ganking for the benefit of all players in Eve when it's done with proper principles. It's just that the way it is played out with all the letters and such lacks credibility. I've seen CODE open fire on empty shuttles and rookie frigates just because they were AFK, which just seems odd.

it is, sadly, a defect of the game that people roleplaying as market bots can't be ganked because they literally never undock

What seems odder is those AFKers who complain after losing ships and stuff.

It is up to the ship's captain and crew to be cautious.

Imagine a real merchant ship sailing through the Gulf of Aden to reach the great exotic lands of Asia. The open sea might look safe, but it is not %100 safe. if the crew goes Away From the Bridge (aka going AFK in eve) and relies on Autopilot (yes, there is 'Autopilot' in real ships too), then a potential piracy situation might occur succesfully.

In addition to that, there's always some risk of accident (collision, pollution), and that risk can be highly reduced by actually being At The Helm (aka being At The Keyboard in eve).

Alertness and cautiousness are extremely important for a safer navigation, and that includes EVE navigation. It's really odd to go AFK and then complain.

also;

Uh, not sure how you came to the conclusion that Auto-piloting is botting. It is however bot-aspirant in nature and involves your ship being in space unattended. The general rule is that if you wouldn't do it in low/null/wormhole space, you shouldn't be doing it in high sec.

Perhaps station trading should be replaced with in space agents that have to be interacted with to use the market? Would that make you happy? I assure you, I would be fine with this.

Honestly, the core idea of the CODE is the only reason I can bare them.

Poster boys like loyal and some of the others are killing the ganker image. I know we're all suppose to defend anybody who does what we do, but the CODE is just bad after you move past the core goal, which is something I support. I do it all, I gank, Awox, Spai, WD, and everything else that the masses hate. I try to repair the damaged image that some of those bros have broken. I ventured into their channel to talk up a bit, loyal can't seem to take a joke and kicked me rather quickly. I compare the hierarchy of CODE to most buttmad carebears who are subjected to my services.


I mean... uhh yea you're wrong. code4lyfe