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What doesn't involve copious amounts of boredom?
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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#41 - 2014-06-04 20:55:32 UTC
Quite frankly, OP, you sound like you're making excuses and like you don't actually want to have to do any effort at all to get your ISK. EvE doesn't just hand out cash like WoW and similar games do which, as others have pointed out, is one of the reasons it actually has a bit of value here (what you lose has value to you, that is).

If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods. That ISK will let you PvP quite a bit in T1 frigs and cruisers with full T2 fittings, and unless you're playing several hours a day, you'll probably be able to last a solid two months off that 700m ISK. Toss in any sort of passive ISK source (such as Planetary Interaction which, in highsec, can be a frigate a week) and you're doing pretty well for cruiser-and-below PvP.

EvE is a multi-player game, so go join a corp (if you find one that will take your attitude) and you'll find you're enjoying it quite a bit more.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#42 - 2014-06-04 21:00:20 UTC
Summer Isle wrote:
If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods..


Considering OP has lost several BCs, faction ships, and an Astero, I would guess this option may have already been exercised.

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#43 - 2014-06-04 21:15:07 UTC
Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:
Summer Isle wrote:
If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods..


Considering OP has lost several BCs, faction ships, and an Astero, I would guess this option may have already been exercised.

Very likely. I haven't bothered to check his killboard, and couldn't stomach reading all of his posts, so I didn't know what all he's lost. I saw he mentioned a BC, but not that he's done active PvP with it.

Still, though. Lowsec PvP? Inject a PLEX, drop 500m in T1 frigs and cruisers and their mods, and put 200m into station trading. Do that every two months (or even every month at first, if you're active) and he'll find he's much better off. Station trading is a decent source of ISK, even if you aren't doing constant 0.01'ing. After half a year of this, he'll probably find that he's able to support his frig / cruiser PvP habits simply off the station trading proceeds.

Another note to the OP: Above just about everything else, EvE rewards patience. Don't go charging into something, thinking you'll be able to succeed (at least, not every time). Wait, watch, learn, and when the time is right, pounce. That is the truest source of wealth in EvE.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-06-04 21:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
Ashwind Houssa wrote:

So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in?


Sure. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.



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Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#45 - 2014-06-05 11:15:18 UTC
Asswind Houssa wrote:
This is my alt. I have spent a few days to train it only so much that it won't even be able to harm a mosquito but it will be able to run plexes. It was making me heaps of money for my main. I think crying in forums about it will yield better results than training my alt further so that it can actually engage stuff in decent ships.


Dear OP,

Please get your main into FW if you are planning to make a living out of FW.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#46 - 2014-06-05 11:17:50 UTC
Null-Sec Anomalies are good cash and use a PVP skillset.

The other option is you fly very cheap fit ships designed to kill more blingy ships. An example years ago was killing faction Crows using a trash-fit Taranis using a 15KM Web.

These days faction modules are still popular but not as expensive - but Meta modules are also dirt cheap so 'trash fit' frigates can cost almost nothing. Clever use of E-War can win fights.
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#47 - 2014-06-05 13:28:14 UTC
Do this, fit an Algos with blasters, hobgoblins, and salvaging drones, go into FW lowsec, search for frigs, warp in, blow them up, salvage them and any other elite wrecks you see. The salvaging can make you 10-100 mil/roam easily if you do it right.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-06-05 15:40:25 UTC
This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".

Let me give you some bittervet advice:

We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.

We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-06-05 16:17:14 UTC
OP, i took the liberty of having a look at your killboard.

Your losses show a lot of terrible fits, to be honest, and i think the problem simply lies there.

You need a 100-110ish dps to clear the new rats up to smalls, and a bit more for mediums.

TBH that level of dps is easily achievable even with low skills. If you're struggling with lasers, i'd suggest going with hybrid weapons, you can easily achieve dps number more akin to the 200 mark even with very low SP.

Also, if you can't fit t2 guns, go meta 4 or 3 if you're really stranded for money. Save isk on other stuff, i see you fit warp scrambler 2, you really don't need that, go with the j5b, easier fitting as well.
Douglas Nolm
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-06-05 17:56:59 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".

Let me give you some bittervet advice:

We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.

We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.



Dammit! I haven't even been playing six months yet, and by this definition I'm a bittervet? Help!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-06-05 19:33:38 UTC
Douglas Nolm wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".

Let me give you some bittervet advice:

We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.

We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.



Dammit! I haven't even been playing six months yet, and by this definition I'm a bittervet? Help!


Sorry dude, it's too late for you.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ashwind Houssa
Therapists Inc
#52 - 2014-06-05 19:35:54 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Null-Sec Anomalies are good cash and use a PVP skillset.

The other option is you fly very cheap fit ships designed to kill more blingy ships. An example years ago was killing faction Crows using a trash-fit Taranis using a 15KM Web.

These days faction modules are still popular but not as expensive - but Meta modules are also dirt cheap so 'trash fit' frigates can cost almost nothing. Clever use of E-War can win fights.


This is great advice, and well noted. I've made the pivot away from FW for my remaining sub time to find what fun I can out there.



Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#53 - 2014-06-06 00:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Check out the Making ISK guide. There will be something in there for you. For low-risk you could try exploration: the Exploration training agent will give you the skill books and equipment you need to get started.

As far as boredom goes though, try talking to people in the militia and see if you can get yourself into an active group of people who are regularly playing at the same times that you play. You don't even need to join a corp, just hang out in a shared social channel or get into their fleets regularly. Having people to share your activities with can make the experience much more enjoyable.

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Endeveren Erata
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-06-17 07:43:13 UTC
I understand his concerns and why he feels the way he feels. Kronos raised the dps bar into offensive plexing and new characters with low sp have a harder time dealing with the new stronger tanks on the NPCs. Vets don't have this issue as their dps is on the higher end already or they simply switch to something like a blaster fit with higher sp for that kind of dps to boot. Newer people even if they swap to a blaster fit and train for a short while will still find the npcs too irritating to deal with. I personally experienced something similar and while it bothered me eventually I just came to terms with the fact that I would simply have to deal with not being able to solo until my skills were better or defensive plexing during fleet downtimes. I don't necessarily want to start training blasters as my focus is LML and rockets after getting my fast tackle to acceptable levels for fleets but I accept that that is a choice I'm making and that the game doesn't have to revolve around what I chose to do, I have to adapt to it.

Until then I'll either offensive plex with others or defensive plex on my own until my dps is high enough with LML to at least do novices solo all while waiting for fleets to tackle in.

I understand you OP but you cant force the game to be what you want, it's about adapting or just dealing with it however you can and taking advantage of opportunities to have fun. I find tackling in fleets fun.
Ranzabar
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-06-18 05:41:03 UTC
We embrace boredom

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