These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

So EVE is becoming just a rental universe now is it?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#161 - 2014-06-05 01:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Abrazzar wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
When two rental groups have a disagreement, are they allowed to fight?

They get herded into a deadspace area where they need to fight it out with ships given to them by their overlords and the whole thing is streamed live for the royalty's and the peons' amusement.


That's ~elite pvp~ and nothing to do with renters.

How we would fight would be to send a 7 ship raiding party on Saturday afternoon that would lap around their region causing dock ups and cloak ups, killing maybe a t1 industrial running empty on its way to pickup some PI, much as NA or BoT might try with us, before dieing horribly to 3 lowsec gate campers on the way back.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#162 - 2014-06-05 01:26:04 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


No i do not think so that CCP can do anything about corps & alliances renting space from the major power blocs.

This is a sandbox Game welcome to EvE

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#163 - 2014-06-05 01:32:47 UTC
There are plenty of theoretical scenarios that could happen but one thing that has actually happened in recent times is the closure of GENTS. The stagnation has already set in and rotten one limb of the CFC off. In the words of progodlegend at the news "x-thousand pilots and not one content creator?".

A leaderless empire eventually collapses from within due to stronger personalities than the current rulers rising up and wanting their own piece of the pie. Takes a while but it does eventually occur.
Miles Winter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2014-06-05 01:37:23 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
How can you fight alliances with trillions of isk that grows by tens if not hundreds of billions of isk a week and no short supply of supercarriers and titans without supers and titans of your own?


You don't.

Unless CCP changes the way 0.0 and SOV operates (I don't see how because the whole system of renting is done OOG) then the way 0.0 is, is the way it will always be.

And what is ccp's rush to change things? Most if not all of the employees of CCP are members of said overload alliances. Why would they ruin their income?


They should do it because it'll save their game in the long run. Whereas leaving it be will kill it.

The large alliances are able to hold too much space, and it's way, way, way, too difficult for anyone to even begin competing in the marketplace. What we are going to see over the next few years is a consolidation of power in null and the formation of monopolies/duopolies.

CCP needs to make holding onto so many systems more difficult, but that would mean essentially taking away from the player what they already have, which isn't particularly fair. CCP's caught between a rock and a hard place. Either option - leaving it as is, or changing it - fucks CCP over.
Jaiimez Skor
The Infamous.
#165 - 2014-06-05 03:50:00 UTC
Anyone remember a time before technetium, when -A- rented 90% of the south, nothing new here, move along, CCP will make some new way of alliances funding themselves and renting will stop, then CCP will nerf that, and we'll go back to renters.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#166 - 2014-06-05 05:44:45 UTC
Space Feudalism: The Stagnationing.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2014-06-05 05:56:43 UTC
GoongrrrX-Mas 2014: A Titan in Every Stocking.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#168 - 2014-06-05 14:13:13 UTC
Jaiimez Skor wrote:
Anyone remember a time before technetium, when -A- rented 90% of the south, nothing new here, move along, CCP will make some new way of alliances funding themselves and renting will stop, then CCP will nerf that, and we'll go back to renters.



Errmmm i dont think it was quite anywhere near 90%

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#169 - 2014-06-05 14:20:23 UTC
The imagination quotient in this thread gets smaller by the day

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Andy Koraka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#170 - 2014-06-05 21:25:42 UTC
IIRC somewhere along the way a CCP dev posted about the farms/fields of nullsec and getting away from alliance wide income streams like moongoo.

Armies aren't exactly known for tilling their own fields so every nullsec group with a lick of intelligence did the sensible thing and found a bunch of serfs(renters) who were willing to give us some of their harvest (isk) in exchange for security/protection. Renters win because they're only interested in the PvE side and can play the game however they want, free from CTAs, quotas, ect. Null alliances win because they hate PvE and the rent pays for their PvP habit.

Sucks to be a new unaffiliated alliance right now, but I don't see anything CCP can do to fix it. Renting has always existed but by nerfing moon income it's become the only way to stay competitive. Even if they buffed goo it's too late because the heavy lifting is done, the space has been conqured and renters installed. There's little to no reason for anyone to give that paycheck up now that it's coming in monthly.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#171 - 2014-06-05 21:28:04 UTC
Build up your forces and strike down the false Emperor when the time is right

You dont need to till your fields

Simply sharpen your guns and load your swords

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2014-06-05 22:27:38 UTC
It's funny, really. A lot of people agree that there's a problem with nullsec, but no-one can agree on what exactly that problem happens to be or how exactly it should be fixed. It's almost as if it's harder to change something when people realise there's a problem than when they're completely ignorant of it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#173 - 2014-06-05 23:12:56 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
It's funny, really. A lot of people agree that there's a problem with nullsec, but no-one can agree on what exactly that problem happens to be or how exactly it should be fixed. It's almost as if it's harder to change something when people realise there's a problem than when they're completely ignorant of it.



It's like living in the US. Most of us know that the powers in office are rotten and that the system has become completely corrupt but a majority of us depend on the status quo to make our living. Don’t wanna break our rice bowls!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#174 - 2014-06-06 00:39:23 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
It's funny, really. A lot of people agree that there's a problem with nullsec, but no-one can agree on what exactly that problem happens to be or how exactly it should be fixed. It's almost as if it's harder to change something when people realise there's a problem than when they're completely ignorant of it.



It's like living in the US. Most of us know that the powers in office are rotten and that the system has become completely corrupt but a majority of us depend on the status quo to make our living. Don’t wanna break our rice bowls!


Except the solution to one is the opposite to the solution to the other

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2014-06-08 04:35:10 UTC
Without death, there is no market life.

Please enjoy being fertilizer to the engines of ec-onomy...

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#176 - 2014-06-09 03:55:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


So until CCP strongly reduce power projection and rework the sov system, then 0,0 will be:~~

Two households, both alike in dignity,
In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean....


Really, I thinks it's more like

Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute.
While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates....
Hyacinthine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2014-06-09 07:25:50 UTC
*random*

New cyno jammer. No immunities to it. Range measured in light years. (No, you wouldn't be able to deploy them in range of highsec or lowsec, or they at least wouldn't affect those systems.) Doesn't show on D-scan, hard to probe, sneeze on it and it blows up.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#178 - 2014-06-09 07:46:18 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

Really this is the key - you can't impact the meta game with game mechanics. In the end what would need to change this is to change how rapidly alliances can respond to an attack, and how rapidly they NEED to respond to an attack. Now, they only need to respond once every seven days to prevent loss of sov. Even a crippled monkey with one bad eye could manage to move a defense fleet into position in that kind of time.

The only thing that would cripple the rental feudalism we have no is if the renters suddenly had to defend the space they were holding because their landlords couldn't deploy their own forces fast enough. That's where the power projection nerfs come in. if the renters suddenly have to defend the space, they're not going to want to rent it, they're going to want to own it - they may as well, since they now have the headaches of sov defense.


So wait, you want either:
1) All sov structures destructable/capturable without any timers
or
2) Cooldown of x days to jump any jump capable ship?
Lady Areola Fappington
#179 - 2014-06-09 10:30:36 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
It's funny, really. A lot of people agree that there's a problem with nullsec, but no-one can agree on what exactly that problem happens to be or how exactly it should be fixed. It's almost as if it's harder to change something when people realise there's a problem than when they're completely ignorant of it.



The problem is, obviously, people I don't like succeeding at something.

The solution is, change the system so people I don't like stop succeeding.

Bonus points if people I do like replace the people I don't.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
advii
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2014-06-09 10:46:52 UTC
IMO, the problem lies in power projection. You can't go grind sov anywhere and not get dropped.