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CCP employee policy on playing eve ?

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Son Callar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-05 01:55:33 UTC
Hi,

I'm quite interested to know if CCPs policy on their employees playing eve is available somewhere or if anyone knows how they handle that ?

For example are CCP employees allowed to let people know they work for CCP, are they allowed to join player corporations, if an employee has an already active character are they allowed to continue playing on that character etc.

I'm interested purely for personal reasons, it is not that I know of a CCP employee ingame or am trying to put out dirt on someone, just interested on how its handled, if anyone knows.

Thank you !
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-05 02:08:57 UTC
CCP employees are allowed normal accounts on which they cannot use their super dev powers to do anything under. They also cannot let people know they are devs so they're kinda like superman.

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2011-12-05 02:10:44 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
CCP employees are allowed normal accounts on which they cannot use their super dev powers to do anything under. They also cannot let people know they are devs so they're kinda like superman.

If Superman encouraged everyone to aspire to be a Lex Luthor.
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-05 02:12:45 UTC
They're allowed to play EVE normally. As I heard, whenever someone becomes a dev, their known accounts get frozen, my guess is they can "create" new accounts in their place to play on. The moment someone finds out that someone is a dev, that account is not going to be played any more either.

Maybe I'm totally wrong though.

All this because something about t2 bpos and something with a K and ugut and some sumen.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#5 - 2011-12-05 02:34:24 UTC
Devs are allowed to still play on regular accounts HOWEVER they are more monitored than the bots are and are strongly discouraged to revealing thier true selves to the community.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#6 - 2011-12-05 02:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Allowed to play as much as they like on "normal" accounts in any corp/alliance they want, as long as they avoid being identified as CCP staff by anybody else (at least anybody else that's not CCP staff too), and as long as they don't (ab)use any "insider" powers or knowledge to their advantage.

In case they get identified, they used to have two choices : stop playing that account for as long as they remain a CCP employee... or "become randomized" (think witness protection program for EVE characters - broken contact with all old friends, new name, fake new corp history, new face too for good measure).
Not sure if the second choice is still offered nowadays.

They're also far more closely monitored than most regular players to avoid an encore of the ancient T20 incident.
EDIT: As per the poster below, yes, making a profit from an upcoming change is also something they're forbidden to do on their "regular" accounts.

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Captain Mastiff
#7 - 2011-12-05 02:44:59 UTC
I'm also under the impression they aren't allowed to profit from their development knowledge, i.e they can't buy a tonne of T2 materials knowing that the price will go through the roof in the next week due to an upcoming expansion. They can't use their position as a bargaining tool though that shouldn't matter either.

I think it's a case of they can't abuse their position for an in game advantage.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-05 02:57:33 UTC
with all these restrictions, why would they even play on a normal account?

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-05 03:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
Alexa Coates wrote:
with all these restrictions, why would they even play on a normal account?


Because there are people who actually like this game, and there are people who work for CCP, and occasionally, when the planets align just right, there is the tiniest overlap between the two groups, and CCP employees actually start wanting to play their game instead of spending all day looking at endless reams of spaghetti code and dicking about in Photoshop
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#10 - 2011-12-05 03:27:33 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
with all these restrictions, why would they even play on a normal account?

What exactly sounds all that restrictive anyway ?
That you can't tell them where you work ? How often do YOU tell people in EVE what company you work for in RL ?
Or that you can't participate in patch market speculation ? Very few people in the game ever do.
Or maybe that you can't use your dev powers for your own benefit ? Most of the other players don't have access to such powers, so again, what's the big deal ?

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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
#11 - 2011-12-05 03:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Shionoya Risa
Akita T wrote:
And as long as they don't (ab)use any "insider" powers or knowledge to their advantage.


They shouldn't even be able to see the insider window on their normal accounts since they would have the same permissions as everyone else and the insider and its contents are shown based on those permissions.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#12 - 2011-12-05 04:35:39 UTC
Now if we can just get CCP Helmar to play his own game, maybe I wouldn't be typing this while Im waiting for the Captains Quarters to load.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#13 - 2011-12-05 06:23:02 UTC
Shionoya Risa wrote:
Akita T wrote:
And as long as they don't (ab)use any "insider" powers or knowledge to their advantage.

They shouldn't even be able to see the insider window on their normal accounts since they would have the same permissions as everyone else and the insider and its contents are shown based on those permissions.

I'm talking about the possibility of doing something fishy with the aid of their work account while at work so that their "regular" non-work non-empowered account might possibly benefit, or some knowledge they picked up as a person by simply being an employee of CCP that would have otherwise not been available (or would have required far more effort or time to obtain).

There is no question about whether their regular accounts have any access to GM/dev tools or not. They have no reason to. It would be laughable if they did. Maybe at some distant point in the past they might have, but nowadays, the mere idea is preposterous.

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Liam Mirren
#14 - 2011-12-05 06:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Those restrictions (as Akita explained, not that restrictive at all just logical) is probably also one of the reasons many stick to "easier" stuff like mining or PVE and less so PVP focussed stuff where they're expected to be on voice and all that. (that and them being blithering carebears ofcourse).

The whole The Enslaver "issue" showed that you just can't have CCP folks in positions of power and/or PVP because there'll always be someone who feels so self-important he has to out them and cause lots of trouble.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#15 - 2011-12-05 06:55:46 UTC
I heard a rumour that some of them do actually PVP. I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to PVP. If no one knows who they are, why not let them PVP as much as they like?

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#16 - 2011-12-05 08:23:09 UTC
Any one of us in this thread could be a developer in disguise, It could be you, or you or you, or even me.

p-p

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Plave Okice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-05 08:33:45 UTC
non judgement wrote:
I heard a rumour that some of them do actually PVP. I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to PVP. If no one knows who they are, why not let them PVP as much as they like?



I remember a dev poll long ago about playing the game and something like 70% of them were pirates, the rest miners.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-05 08:37:53 UTC
Anyone else in here besides Akita T and Nova Fox remember the T20 thing?

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-12-05 08:52:31 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Anyone else in here besides Akita T and Nova Fox remember the T20 thing?


heard of it.
Plave Okice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-05 08:54:33 UTC
I remember it well, as will pretty much anyone playing then, it was huge.

Early 2007 he got caught.
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