Ships & Modules

From best to worst


Rev / moros---nag-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Phoenix

With the recent hybrid changes i think the rev and moros are now pretty equal if dropped in nice and close for some face melting the nag is genrally semi decent though i wish ccp would just give it 3 guns and the flying turd is still a flying turd.

Rev. Because reloading is for the losing side.

Rev and Moros is not equal, if anything the gap widened, as Moros dronebay got nerfed. So now, it's just a POS basher like the rest, whose blasters don't have the range to hit POS.

Get Rev, afk lasers ftw.

too lazy too check myself, but can the nag hit a large pos with it's XL ACs?

and i've always heard the Phx was next to worthless compared to the other dreads for a long time now without any real explaination. someone please care to enlighten me on the detailed reasons? thanks

This is a good reason, but does not really sum it up. You know how everyone bitches about SCs and titans speed tanking dreads up close? Well, at full speed, a super at any range will take about half damage from a phoenix. However, should the titan be in your face (4 km), the phoenix will do half damage and the moros / rev / nag guns will hardly hit at all in siege. IMHO, Citadel torps and cruise could double (or at least add 50% to) the explosion velocity and not be OP, given exactly how huge the explosion radius is on those missiles. Hell, double velocity, add 25% to expl radius.

Having said that, against structures and sieged dreads, a phoenix, like most / all missile boats, will do more damage than anything else with equivalent weapons at its furthest range, and for a certain distance of range. Because of this, it lacks the option of doing more damage closer.

BTW, Nag is not that bad at all, in 0.0 I would choose it over a Rev any day, as long as that day did not involve POS bashing afk for 5 hours solo. Then I would choose the Rev. As it is and given my SP and what race it is behind, I am sticking with Moros and feel no need whatsoever to cross train.



Short answer, yes. Long answer, not at optimal with its short range ammo. However, with EMP XL, optimal + falloff is 15.6+36 (IIRC, after several suggestions in the thread, including my own on multiple occasions, CCP just increased the falloff to that. I think it was 24 km or something earlier). So it can hit at 26 KM in the same way that a Macharial can hit at 10 km.


My post at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29691&p=2 (seriously, highlight it and take it to your adress bar, I don't have a clue how to keep it from spazzing out on me and saying "There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode"EDIT: Nevermind, apparently it acts like a link properly if I just paste it there) has a comparison of the good dreads (look at the new numbers). The only thing that will be different is the falloff on the autos will be 36 km base instead of 24 km.

In all honesty, Moros, Naglfar > Revelation >>>> Phoenix

Oh, and that Naglfar? Its ******* vertical.



Look at the post I linked, a blaster moros can hit a POS, just not with antimatter. Plutonium + 2x TCs is a hell of a lot of damage and that still hits a pos. Just because it is not in optimal does not mean the blasters will not hit it as well, see above where I answered the question on autocannons (hint: falloff).

Welp, I learned something today. I have always been under the impression (usually from people complaining that missiles suck) that you will never hit for full damage against a target moving faster than your explosion velocity. I guess I was wrong.

EDIT: Why did CCP remove the option for strikethrough

Off the top of my head, the phoenix is still the worst for shooting bs though.

yeah... Minmatar can't always be Winmatar.

PS - real men hull tank, moros still comes out on top.

Huh, a ship that uses no cap should out-dps a ship that does not? OFC the ship that uses cap and cannot change damage type should hit harder.

Only 5 second reload time on hybrids (or blasters anyway) now

It all depends upon which battle you are in. Assuming a spending cap of 2.5 billion:


If you're afk shooting a POS (but those who do that in dreads often find themselves with lossmails) the Rev is the thing for you.

The Phoenix provides an extremely robust platform. It deals 11.3k dps out to 55k+, burst tanks 63k+ with 3m EHP. The downside is that in some engagements your targets can speed tank you, but for shooting fortified POS'es and bashing in triaged carriers it's perfect.

The Shield Moros manages a whooping 15.1k dps out to 21+31, burst tanks 39k on 2m EHP. It can switch to longer ranged ammo as well.

The Nalgfar tanks the same as the Moros with similar EHP, but "only" deals 11.5k dps, with 20+48 range on the AC AA EMP.


So Moros/Phoenix >>> Nalgfar/Revelation.

And if you have to ask about the relevance of burst tanks you need to get out and fly combat fleets with these before trolling on the forums