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I want to play Eve Online, Please someone reach out to me.
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Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#21 - 2014-06-04 06:06:37 UTC
Miko Sunji wrote:


I dont enjoy pvp,

...

I'm very starship captain mentality, my ship is everything. Losing it must come at a great loss, rather then dropping ships like tic tacs.


You're going to have a very hard time in EvE with this mentality, I would strongly suggest you view ships as commodities that are easily disposal and replaceable. Otherwise, every time you lose a ship (which you WILL) will lead you to rage-quitting.
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-04 06:07:29 UTC
Haiiro Aurgnet wrote:
well if you are a miner/mission runner, try Khanid space. Its where I live. My corp is tiny but trying to reach out to people like you xD that being said I don't think i can mention that here ;)

anyhow, as far as your paths go, I would suggest getting into exploration. They just made it a bit easier now by removing loot spew, and even in a high sec system you can make a lot of isk. No pvp required, either. As for running missions- those are going to get repetitive really fast, but, I would say if you do combat missions- grab several of them at a time. If you are caldari, you have a small advantage in that its often said that caldari race has some of the best PvE boats out there. missiles/shields are awesome for missions, especially with missiles being able to change damage type so fast and consistently.

also, mining is in a good position right now with the recent buffs to barges. however, if you can find a corp with a POS, i would suggest stockpiling ore until the changes in july- since refining rates will be changed then.

If you ever need any real questions, feel free to drop me a message =) I have been doing mainly PvE for years so I know the ins and outs of making things fun and worthwhile =)


Thanks a lot! I really enjoy mining like i said, its more enjoyable then missions to me. I will look into your corp and contact you once I get my mining char underway
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-06-04 08:08:28 UTC
Rumtin wrote:
Miko Sunji wrote:


I dont enjoy pvp,

...

I'm very starship captain mentality, my ship is everything. Losing it must come at a great loss, rather then dropping ships like tic tacs.


You're going to have a very hard time in EvE with this mentality, I would strongly suggest you view ships as commodities that are easily disposal and replaceable. Otherwise, every time you lose a ship (which you WILL) will lead you to rage-quitting.


if you read the entire thread you would see im not opposed to the idea, its just not my area of focus. I will gladly defend once in a while if i get ganked, or raided.. but i dont want to go drop ships daily trying to achieve some ego driven goal.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-06-04 09:19:08 UTC
Miko Sunji wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Miko Sunji wrote:


I love this game, its so perfect for me in every way, but i'm far beind and I want to be helpful and learn i will even pay my own way if someone is there to guide me and keep me gaming.

Far behind in what? You train your core skills, pick a ship, pick a fitting set for that ship, and when you have that down you are skilled as much as any vet flying the same ship. This is why most of us have alts (not just forum alts), it doesn't take much to be good at something. It's when you try to split your training into a lot of different things is where you never "catch up". The only real advantage to being in the game a long time is availability of a lot of different ships, but that is not any real advantage to what one is flying at the moment. Much different than the typical level progression themepark game.



This is a good point, and I do agree so i'll do whatever it takes i'll just start training once i find a corp or a spot that i can fit in well with. I am leaning twords Missions and mining, I know i really enjoy mining but there is so much more out there i dont know so maybe im all wrong on what i will love.


If you want a good corp you will need one that actually does group activities.
such corps will be incursion, wormhole or pvp based.
maybe null renters could be included.
high sec pve is either solo (mission /explortion) or in a group of afk people (mining).
PI and manufacturing is done whilst offline as is trading.
luckily the fun things in eve are exactly the ones i listed.
Doing any of the things i listed will involve the occaisional loss of a ship. playing eve requires people to accept that they will lose ships.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-06-05 01:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Sunji
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Doing any of the things i listed will involve the occaisional loss of a ship. playing eve requires people to accept that they will lose ships.


No where in the game does it say I have to accept that I will lose a ship. This game can mean exactly what I want it to and how i want it to. If i feel like being prestigious enough to hold onto any ship for a year or more then that is my choice.

I dont respond like this as an insult, but as a lesson that you should look outside the realms of the minds of your fellow shipmates (I mean people in general lol). You have the power to create whatever new idea or direction that is within your reach. Nothing is impossible and this is meant as a pun, the sky is no longer the limit.
Haiiro Aurgnet
Celestial Phoenix Industries
#26 - 2014-06-05 02:36:43 UTC
Miko Sunji wrote:
Haiiro Aurgnet wrote:
well if you are a miner/mission runner, try Khanid space. Its where I live. My corp is tiny but trying to reach out to people like you xD that being said I don't think i can mention that here ;)

anyhow, as far as your paths go, I would suggest getting into exploration. They just made it a bit easier now by removing loot spew, and even in a high sec system you can make a lot of isk. No pvp required, either. As for running missions- those are going to get repetitive really fast, but, I would say if you do combat missions- grab several of them at a time. If you are caldari, you have a small advantage in that its often said that caldari race has some of the best PvE boats out there. missiles/shields are awesome for missions, especially with missiles being able to change damage type so fast and consistently.

also, mining is in a good position right now with the recent buffs to barges. however, if you can find a corp with a POS, i would suggest stockpiling ore until the changes in july- since refining rates will be changed then.

If you ever need any real questions, feel free to drop me a message =) I have been doing mainly PvE for years so I know the ins and outs of making things fun and worthwhile =)


Thanks a lot! I really enjoy mining like i said, its more enjoyable then missions to me. I will look into your corp and contact you once I get my mining char underway



if you do, contact a character called hyperion aurgnet. he's who you really need to talk to =)
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2014-06-05 03:58:33 UTC
Miko Sunji wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Doing any of the things i listed will involve the occaisional loss of a ship. playing eve requires people to accept that they will lose ships.


No where in the game does it say I have to accept that I will lose a ship. This game can mean exactly what I want it to and how i want it to. If i feel like being prestigious enough to hold onto any ship for a year or more then that is my choice.

I dont respond like this as an insult, but as a lesson that you should look outside the realms of the minds of your fellow shipmates (I mean people in general lol). You have the power to create whatever new idea or direction that is within your reach. Nothing is impossible and this is meant as a pun, the sky is no longer the limit.

Yeaaah, EVE is pretty much a PvP centric game, whether you do it actively or passively (defensive measures etc), expect the unexpected. As soon as you undock, you're in an environment with some level of pvp... excluding newbie hubs where CCP doesn't really allow players to gank newbie players, can have consequences from GM's. But really, it just comes down to rule #1 which is don't fly something that you cannot afford to lose. This might help you too if someone didn't link it already http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#28 - 2014-06-05 04:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Miko Sunji wrote:


If it was any pvp, Tackling was by far the most facinating part to me


Then you're in luck, tackling is about the most newbie friendly role there is. All you need is a cheap t1 frigate and some basic tackle mods. If you want a specific path to pursue, join Red vs. Blue. They have an excellent ship replacement program, so you will pretty much be able to learn for free, and will give you a better idea of what PvP is like in EVE (hint: better than any other MMO out there).

Miko Sunji wrote:
Rumtin wrote:
Miko Sunji wrote:


I dont enjoy pvp,

...

I'm very starship captain mentality, my ship is everything. Losing it must come at a great loss, rather then dropping ships like tic tacs.


You're going to have a very hard time in EvE with this mentality, I would strongly suggest you view ships as commodities that are easily disposal and replaceable. Otherwise, every time you lose a ship (which you WILL) will lead you to rage-quitting.


if you read the entire thread you would see im not opposed to the idea, its just not my area of focus. I will gladly defend once in a while if i get ganked, or raided.. but i dont want to go drop ships daily trying to achieve some ego driven goal.


The fact is, you are not in control of when your ship goes boom. This is true no matter where you fly or what ship you are in. Freighter? Gonna get blown up. Mission ship? Blown up. PvP ship? Tell me you insured that. Mining barge? Blown up then asked for a mining permit.

It will probably not be a dramatic battle. Your structure will not drop to the sound of Adagio for Strings (until we can set our own custom alert sounds, at least). There won't be a slow motion review of your ship exploding while a single tear runs down the cheek of your avatar. More likely, it'll happen because you made a mistake, the other guy got lucky, or a mix of both. It'll happen without fanfare, and if you're not engaged in PvP chances are you have neither the time nor ship setup to defend yourself in any meaningful way. (Quick side note: when mining, your best defense is being at the keyboard and checking local and your directional scanner for any incoming ganks, then warping out before they land on grid and tackle you. Yes, even in hisec. ESPECIALLY in hisec.)

After your ship loss, you need to be able to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go out and grab a new ship and head right back out.

That's what Rumtin is getting at. Ship destruction is not something where you can say, "This will be a rare occasion." You can try to minimize your losses, but they will happen. Have the mentality that your ship is lost from the moment you first undock it. Every moment past that first undock is borrowed time, such that by the time you DO blow up, you can think "Hey, that one lasted a week, not bad," instead of "I HATE EVERYTHING"

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#29 - 2014-06-05 04:20:07 UTC
Miko Sunji wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Doing any of the things i listed will involve the occaisional loss of a ship. playing eve requires people to accept that they will lose ships.


No where in the game does it say I have to accept that I will lose a ship. This game can mean exactly what I want it to and how i want it to. If i feel like being prestigious enough to hold onto any ship for a year or more then that is my choice.

I dont respond like this as an insult, but as a lesson that you should look outside the realms of the minds of your fellow shipmates (I mean people in general lol). You have the power to create whatever new idea or direction that is within your reach. Nothing is impossible and this is meant as a pun, the sky is no longer the limit.


You can have "don't lose a ship for a year" as a goal, sure. What people are telling you is that it's fairly difficult in EVE and if you're not mentally prepared to lose ships it could negatively impact your enjoyment of the game. If you're fine with losing ships while trying for that year record ("It has been -01- days since I piloted AFK died horribly in a fire") then all well and good, but if you're of the mindset that a loss is this horrible, emotionally wracking thing, you're going to have a tough time when you lose your first ship, whether it happens now or a year from now.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Vyl Vit
#30 - 2014-06-05 04:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
As you can see, a lot of people are willing to offer a lot of "truth" and "advice", but not many are going to offer much more than that. I'll also tell you, what "truth" you've read here so far, may (or may not) be true for the person offering it, but isn't really all that true.

For instance. One huge fallacy some EVE players push is all you have to do is shop around for a corporation that has people you like that do things you like to do. That sounds all merry and good and stuff. Only problem is, I'm sure you've seen by now, you're quite isolated in EVE. There's a lot of "front" but there's no "interior" for you to see from your capsuleer position.

Most people won't admit they've gotten where they are due to the generosity of another player. They offer what seems to be logical, common sense solutions, but in reality these didn't work for them, and of course they won't work for you. There isn't a corporation shopping center. There is a HUGE listing of ALL the corps making various claims about themselves. Some of which (again) are "true", most of which are wishes, and some outright deception.

I've noticed in other games when two EVE players identify one another, they won't discuss the game but in general terms. In fact, one person will be going on about EVE, another will say, "I play EVE," and the discussion will end. Why? Well. People in EVE are of the mind you cannot trust anyone. Mistrust is a hallmark of this game. As a result, there's a rule not to speak in the local chat channel. There's scammers working the recruitment channels and rooky channels.

So, how can you communicate sufficiently to ascertain what people you want to play with? You can't. You have to play with them. You have to cast your bread upon the waters, and give it a shot. You may run through several groups before you hit one to your liking. It's just that way. EVE tends to be cold and impersonal until you do meet those certain, special people.

I recommend you focus on building good characters, and use that trial and error process to find that group you like. It may be out there. It may be something you see grow around you. However, to ask, how do I find this group, as though it's a logical, systematic process, demonstrates a fundmental misunderstanding of what's going on here. People want to see themselves as being that sociable, and maybe in real life they are.

This is EVE. Here, they aren't. Here, you have to earn trust. Be surprised. That's more fun than certainty.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#31 - 2014-06-05 04:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Orly
It looks like our corp could fit you well.

We like to do similar things as you described.

We are not so many yet but I am aiming to recruit.

The only requirements are that you can use Teamspeak (with headset) at least sometimes, living near us (around Jita) and speak good English or Swedish.

Click the corp under my profile picture for more information.

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#32 - 2014-06-05 05:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Vyl Vit wrote:
As you can see, a lot of people are willing to offer a lot of "truth" and "advice", but not many are going to offer much more than that. I'll also tell you, what "truth" you've read here so far, may (or may not) be true for the person offering it, but isn't really all that true.


When it comes down to it, the truth anyone gives you is based primarily on their experience. That said, I keep tabs on other areas of the game outside the one I inhabit, so I like to think that I'm at least somewhat knowledgeable about these areas, at least enough to predict that ship loss is a fact of life.

Vyl Vit wrote:
For instance. One huge fallacy some EVE players push is all you have to do is shop around for a corporation that has people you like that do things you like to do. That sounds all merry and good and stuff. Only problem is, I'm sure you've seen by now, you're quite isolated in EVE. There's a lot of "front" but there's no "interior" for you to see from your capsuleer position.


There's a recruitment channel, recruitment forums, plenty of players have made suggestions in this very thread, and one is trying to recruit her directly. Not sure how you're getting "isolated" from this.


Vyl Vit wrote:
Most people won't admit they've gotten where they are due to the generosity of another player. They offer what seems to be logical, common sense solutions, but in reality these didn't work for them, and of course they won't work for you.


Wow, what a steaming load. I got where I was because I said, "I want to join an organization that does X." Then I did, and it was ****, completely a joke. I then joined a SECOND corp, and it was my home for years, taught me a huge amount. There was no player that gave me money, or ships. There were multiple players in the second corp that gave me knowledge and expertise, but that's typical for any good corp. This is not a unique experience, the best way to learn about EVE and how it works is to join a corporation. Yes, finding a corp isn't easy. But then, few worthwhile things are.

Most of the rest of his post seems to revolve around "You're completely alone." Which is BS, of course, but hey. Again OP, feel free to mail me if you have any questions.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-06-05 23:48:03 UTC
You have all been fantastic, i was finally picked up by a corp that i felt fit my needs. I'll be working on my miner and focusing on that for now. Thanks everyone for the help and please feel free to keep it going.

I love meeting new people, so if you have advice, or you know the game in and out and like telling people then please add me as a contact, im trying to get the hang of how i do all the contact stuff so i will try to add everyone who has asked me to for helping me out you have all been amazing again.

Thanks for giving me what I needed to dive in.
Marsha Mallow
#34 - 2014-06-06 00:05:14 UTC
Grats on finding a corp Miko :)

It's worth joining ingame channels to chat with new people. I started off using the trade channels (Blueprints, Manufacturing) etc. You start to notice the chatty players and they often have public channels you can join. You can also set up a personal channel and invite people you like, it's relatively easy to do. Saves convoing people you speak to frequently.

gl

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-07 11:57:00 UTC
Hey guys,

Just a quick backstory, I have played Eve a bit here and there, but I have never once taken part in PvP. I knew nothing about it. You have 3 char slots in eve but may only train one character at a time, unless you pay more money. (this system works very very well, all skills are based on real time). So i decided to do something i thought, at the time was going to be.. a disaster...

P V P

I don't know why i did this, I was bored and I wanted something fun to do. So I created a character, with no help from anyone or anything, and decided I was now, a pirate. I followed my storyline quest a bit, got a good ship through it, and all the fittings i needed. I made a few million Isk and I was ready to head out to the unknown of space and hopefully shoot down a scrub a dub dub.

This changed everything.

I went to a system, where there was no security at all, ships were free to kill, loot, steal, cheat, pillage anything they desired (pretty friggen cool). I found a system that was quite busy at the time, I warped into the station, checked things out. Wanted to see how many people where there, how many criminals. Its very important to be very thorough and safe in EvE. I decided to pick off a ship about the size of my own, but probably (but who cares) way stronger then myself. I scanned him down. I warped in on him. I locked his ship down so he couldn't fly away from me, or warp out. I began to fire on him, he returned fire, and then...

I blew up.

This led to a good fight chat in general, where I talked about why I was 1 day old and in 0.0 space trying to become a pirate, I told them that there is no better way to find out if you can swim, then swimming for your life.

Next thing i knew, I was in their corp. I was already part of a pirate crew. I was pumped, I read this mail they sent me as I joined.

It was long... as ****

I followed every word, i read every guide and spreadsheet they sent me to. It took a couple hours, It was hard to stick to, but I was determined to give this a shot. Soon after, I was setup in low sec space, never to return to the lights of security systems again. I was now a real pirate.

The post had some long lengthy speech about how ambition was the best way to learn to pvp from the best. It had one section that told me to jump into a fleet, and go fly with them to learn.

I was going to do this. I could handle it.

I hoped

I join a fleet, its about 10pm. I'm nervous, they are already talking words i never have heard. Abbreviations I had no idea what they were. This was...

overwhelming.

I decided to stick with it, **** it i knew i was getting shot down out here. That's why i'm here.

We get the call to warp into our first encounter. Were about 30 ships strong.

We warp

I don't know what is about to happen.

I get in, there is another 30-40 ships waiting for us.

THINGS EXPLODE... Everyone is shouting, were shooting ships down. Everyone is calling out targets, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING. I hear a call "target logics" So i immediately jump on a Scythe and I scramble and web it.

I start to shoot it.

I'm still alive..

There is now 60 or 70 ships flying around, and i'm actually doing something. and best of all, I'M ALIVE.

I shoot down a ship (Clearly not alone)... my first ship.. my first flight.. wow this rocks.. but im still so very lost...

Hours later, were hunting down fleets of ships. I've got a kill or 2 under my belt. Damn this is cool. We lose a scout in a gate camp. Were down to logics.. and one frigate. The call is made.. for a new +1

That's me...... how... the hell...

I'm like SCREW IT. I'm doing this, I ask simple fast questions, I said This is my 2nd day, I don't know what i'm doing, but If you tell me what to do, and you trust me, I will get it done.

The call is a go..

I'm now warping blind into every system we go to. i'm the bait ship, maybe that's for the best.

We jump into a gate, there's 20 ships on the other side, I warp away to a planet as fast as i can, The call is made to jump the gate and engage.

Were in another fire fight. I'm taking down another Scythe (i'm good at this part now, I'm fully confident in my ability to target scythe's). We fight, i'm shot down... I am starting to lose hope right away. We disengage the enemy, slightly beaten.

We dock up, get new ships and head back out to gank them right away. We engage again. This time, I am a lot more careful.

I lock down a ship, Assisted kill ( thats a thing right? I'm proud of it dammit)

Another ship, Assist

A pod floating in space, being pushed around... Targeted, Locked down.. Kill

We fight them for a while, chasing the stragglers. Then we start to break apart, We have now been at it for 4 hours. Big ships dock up and go home. Were left with a handful of ships. We all get a gang of frigates.

Now everyone is at my size, and now i know what i'm doing... sortof, I feel good.

We go out, picking on solo or small gangs of ships. Dog fighting till about 7am. I have no idea where the sun came from all i know is that I was so far gone, i had just had.
..
The best night of gaming, in my life.

15 years of online gaming. Today changed it all.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-06-07 12:08:29 UTC
I wouldn't waste my time with the OP, seems like a person you would help just to have them quit weeks later.

You have to do your own work in EvE, Self-sufficiency is what most corps should be looking for.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#37 - 2014-06-07 12:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Silky Cyno wrote:
I wouldn't waste my time with the OP, seems like a person you would help just to have them quit weeks later.

You have to do your own work in EvE, Self-sufficiency is what most corps should be looking for.

Did you read her other thread?

Posted about 10 minutes before your reply.
Makthrraaa
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#38 - 2014-06-07 12:16:09 UTC
Dominus Tempus wrote:
Webvan wrote:

Much different than the typical level progression themepark game.

Yes, because in Eve the game grinds itself so it can add grind in other places.


Grindception...
Miko Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-06-07 12:23:13 UTC
Me playing this game seriously all stemmed from this post. I wanted to make sure everyone got an update and then i made a new post with the story in it as well. I just thought People would like to hear how I went from unsure about the game..

To I don't think there should have been any other games all along.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-06-07 12:26:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
I wouldn't waste my time with the OP, seems like a person you would help just to have them quit weeks later.

You have to do your own work in EvE, Self-sufficiency is what most corps should be looking for.

Did you read her other thread?

Posted about 10 minutes before your reply.


nope replyed to the OP, you know because threads tend to go off topic Roll
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