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alert (and I hope I'm wrong)

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Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-06-02 23:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalysia Valkeiper
I read a bunch of webcomics (38) and most of them make EvE online seem raunchy.

This past weekend, one of them discovered why their add revenue suddenly dropped to less than half what it previously was.

They discovered a company that is obviously (to me, at least) trying to censor the industry.

Where does EvE come into it? In my mind, there is not much of a leep for this company to try to start hitting online gaming and EvE online would be a prime target.

This is the link leading to that discovery.

https://medium.com/p/3f559a96e166

In truth, I hope I'm being an alarmist (would make me very happy to be proven wrong), but it needs to be looked into.

I'm not even subscribing to this forum. I just wanted to alert CCP and thought of the forum immediately. I would not mind if CCP removed it immediately. That would mean they consider it no threat to EvE online.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#2 - 2014-06-02 23:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Welllllll, **** is not a PG-13 word so, his own self censoring was not enough. That being said I am not going to weigh in on the ethics of this just yet. I will have to do some more reading and research. My initial thoughts are that this is justified as this is not censorship, it is a rating system and we have had to deal with those since, well at least since they started rating comics back in the 1950's (?)

I will throw the following in as it is one of my favorite songs that was created in retaliation to the labeling of music albums back in the late 80's early 90's.

Starting up a posseTwisted Not safe for....well most places Lol
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2014-06-03 02:55:28 UTC
Which webcomics?

Raunchy?

I'm not really sure where any of this is coming from.

The Drake is a Lie

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#4 - 2014-06-03 03:21:14 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Which webcomics?

Raunchy?

I'm not really sure where any of this is coming from.


They way I took it was that the OP believes that EvE is not really as bad as many have made it out to be and that the web comics he reads are so 'tame' to make EvE seem like it is the bastion of individuals that follow a 'philosophy' that the Marquis de Sade would enjoy.

Either way both points/examples actually have nothing to do with what the OP is woried about and obfuscated the OP's worries.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2014-06-03 13:24:10 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
My initial thoughts are that this is justified as this is not censorship, it is a rating system and we have had to deal with those since, well at least since they started rating comics back in the 1950's (?)


Actually, that would be The Hays Code from 1930-1968. This caused idiocy like an utter change in Capote's "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", when Paul Newman's character, who in the book in undergoing a "gay panic", to just being a really depressed straight guy.

Sigh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#6 - 2014-06-03 14:37:58 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
My initial thoughts are that this is justified as this is not censorship, it is a rating system and we have had to deal with those since, well at least since they started rating comics back in the 1950's (?)


Actually, that would be The Hays Code from 1930-1968. This caused idiocy like an utter change in Capote's "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", when Paul Newman's character, who in the book in undergoing a "gay panic", to just being a really depressed straight guy.

Sigh.


Oh, yes I agree that the code caused and/or reinforced unnecessary social stigmas, but that did not happen in the 80's with the parental movement to label music. This system seems to give advertisers a metric to determine if they want their product to be advertised on a certain site. The internet is not like publication advertisement. If a company does not want to be affiliated with published pornographic material they, plain and simple, do not pay to be advertised in said magazines. On the internet, the way I minimally understand how advertising works, the companies have had little say as to where their adds gets presented and this is giving them some sort of ability to control what their products are associated with.

Good or bad....this has yet to be determined, but I am leaning towards not that big of a deal.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#7 - 2014-06-03 19:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
LOL! Where did Aalysia Valkeiper go Lol
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-06-05 03:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalysia Valkeiper
Slade Trillgon wrote:
LOL! Where did Aalysia Valkeiper go Lol


LOL, I truly did not plan to come back to this thread. But I was given an alert other people posted (maybe because I started the thread).

Anyway, somebody asked what webcomics I read that were so calm. I read 38 webcomics on a daily basis. Some of them, the title is the 'worst' part of them.

Here is a short list:

Devil's Panties (where this alert came from)
Order of the Stick
Looking for Group
Sandra and Woo
Rascals
Gunnerkreig Court
Puck
Gaia
Uberquest
Milo's Mark
School Spirit
Draconian Chronicles
Questionable Content
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-06-05 03:52:55 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
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Good or bad....this has yet to be determined, but I am leaning towards not that big of a deal.


I hope to h*** you're right, but the fact this TRAQ as trying to keep their activity hidden from the people who write the webcomics AND from gaming companies (who I believe will be the next targets) makes my mental alarms go off madly
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#10 - 2014-06-06 00:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
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Good or bad....this has yet to be determined, but I am leaning towards not that big of a deal.


I hope to h*** you're right, but the fact this TRAQ as trying to keep their activity hidden from the people who write the webcomics and from gaming companies (who I believe will be the next targets) makes my mental alarms go off madly


As I said above, in paper publication, advertisers are either directly confronted by the publication to advertise or a company approaches a publication to solicite advertisement space. In certain situations there is no option for advertisers to decide where their product is advertised on the internet, as far as I know. So quite honestly the writters of the web comics, game sites, and any other site, do not necessarily have a right to know that this organization exists....imho

For a long time now owners of web sites have recieved payment for little to no work on their part, in the sense of searching for advertisers willing to support their publication/site, and many companies have unwillingly been advertised on sites they may not want to be associated with. Publishers have no 'right' to these advertisements honestly and companies have a right to decide where they are advertised.

P.S. You should check Goblins out since you read Order of the Stick.
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-06-06 21:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalysia Valkeiper
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
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Good or bad....this has yet to be determined, but I am leaning towards not that big of a deal.


I hope to h*** you're right, but the fact this TRAQ as trying to keep their activity hidden from the people who write the webcomics and from gaming companies (who I believe will be the next targets) makes my mental alarms go off madly


As I said above, in paper publication, advertisers are either directly confronted by the publication to advertise or a company approaches a publication to solicite advertisement space. In certain situations there is no option for advertisers to decide where their product is advertised on the internet, as far as I know. So quite honestly the writters of the web comics, game sites, and any other site, do not necessarily have a right to know that this organization exists....imho

For a long time now owners of web sites have recieved payment for little to no work on their part, in the sense of searching for advertisers willing to support their publication/site, and many companies have unwillingly been advertised on sites they may not want to be associated with. Publishers have no 'right' to these advertisements honestly and companies have a right to decide where they are advertised.

P.S. You should check Goblins out since you read Order of the Stick.



I would agree totally with your statements if the company this alert went out about wasn't ACTIVELY trying to hide. When a company tries to hide its activity, something's not right.

Want an example? You seem to know of "Order of the Stick". Why does it have a 'nudity' rating below the rating of some 'adult skin viewing' sites? (a.k.a. Papa, Oscar, Romeo, November)
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#12 - 2014-06-06 22:34:02 UTC
But are they actively hiding? It did not take the one author that loing to figure out something was wrong.

Again, I do not know much about the program itself as I have not had a chance to research anything yet as I am in the middle of house purchase and move. My thoughts are still leaning towards it will help advertisers control where they are advertised which is comepletely within their rights. Over time I figure the program will work itself out and become less sensitive towards instances like censoring The Order of the Stick for nudity LMAO!!!....but I will admit I could still be completely wrong Big smile