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the over helpfulness of eve players
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-09-11 16:09:21 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Kesshisan wrote:
Because I like to help people.



this is eve you don't help people you use there ignorance crush there souls till they ether learn it themselves or GTFO



yea if your bad at the game.

if someone reading a fitting guide means u can't get the easy kill and i ***** about it your bad at pvp
Mirima Thurander
#22 - 2011-09-11 16:11:25 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
I can easily think of several reasons, all in line with EVE:

1) You aren't a producer of said goods, you are a consumer and you WANT more competition.
2) Knowledge is a key resource for economic prosperity. By spreading such knowledge, you grease the economic wheels.
3) You are "getting out" of the profession, and no longer have any vested interest in keeping your information secret.
4) You are moving up the production line and want the components you used to build to be cheaper.
5) You want the market to grow, so it can support higher volumes.

Basically, it all boils down to you wanting someone else to do the work for you.



and yet we are back around to the building things/mining things


that still doesn't cover why people want to make guides for exploration, because no matter in what way you spin it more competition in exploration is NEVER a good thing

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mirima Thurander
#23 - 2011-09-11 16:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Kesshisan wrote:
Because I like to help people.



this is eve you don't help people you use there ignorance crush there souls till they ether learn it themselves or GTFO



yea if your bad at the game.

if someone reading a fitting guide means u can't get the easy kill and i ***** about it your bad at pvp




lol EvE PvP

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-11 16:30:12 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
I can easily think of several reasons, all in line with EVE:

1) You aren't a producer of said goods, you are a consumer and you WANT more competition.
2) Knowledge is a key resource for economic prosperity. By spreading such knowledge, you grease the economic wheels.
3) You are "getting out" of the profession, and no longer have any vested interest in keeping your information secret.
4) You are moving up the production line and want the components you used to build to be cheaper.
5) You want the market to grow, so it can support higher volumes.

Basically, it all boils down to you wanting someone else to do the work for you.



and yet we are back around to the building things/mining things


that still doesn't cover why people want to make guides for exploration, because no matter in what way you spin it more competition in exploration is NEVER a good thing


Au contraire, there is plenty of benefit to creating an exploration guide.

Exploration can be used to:
1) Get Datacores, decryptors, interfaces - all needed for T2 production. The more plentiful these things are, the easier T2 production becomes.
2) Get salvage - needed for rig production. The more plentiful these are, the cheaper rigs become.
3) Locate sleeper sites - needed for T3 production. The more plentiful these are, the cheaper subsystems and T3 ships become.
4) Locate asteroid belts - which supply ABC ores. The more plentiful ABC ores are, the cheaper high ends become, and the cheaper T1 ships and capitals become.
5) Exploration is related to PvP probing, which causes more ships to be destroyed, which increases demand for various PvP related goods (ships, mods, ammo, etc)
6) Anamolies and escalations, which can drop faction/deadspace loot. These items can be very rare, and someone who wants to buy said items has a vested interest in making exploration widespread.
Shu Jia
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-11 17:00:40 UTC
There is no real enemies in eve. We all here share the same intrest in eveonline. Human tend to sit together and share their same intrest. Example you share your experience with your good friends. The only thing we able to share is the game mechanism but not the alliance info or your Corp info.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2011-09-11 17:17:56 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
............








Mission Guides makes missions easier - More LP items on markets - LP items easier for me to buy = GOOD

Mining Guides - makes everyone know how to mine effectively - Ships are cheaper and easier for me to buy = GOOD

T3 production Guides -more people make T3s - T3s easier for me to buy = GOOD

Booster making Guides - more people make boosters - boosters easier for me to buy = GOOD

Exploration Guides - More people doing exploration - Exploration found items easier for me to buy = GOOD

Fitting Guides - people fitting better - I do better fits = GOOD

Moon mining Guides - Moon minerals easier for me to buy = GOOD



there's a huge upside to having MORE competition


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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-09-11 17:25:57 UTC
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authochthonian
Rogue Drone Research Institute
#28 - 2011-09-11 17:27:34 UTC
original poster, great troll

i'll give you 8/10 as you got alot of bites.

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Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-09-11 21:45:10 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i still don't see why people want to help there competition




you still have not convened me having a guide for ever part of the game is good for the game



Mission Guides makes missions easier - More LP items on markets - LP items worth less = BAD

Mining Guides - makes everyone know how to mine effectively - Min prices lowered = BAD

T3 production Guides -more people make T3s - T3s cheaper = BAD

Booster making Guides - more people make boosters - booster prices fall = BAD

Exploration Guides - More people doing exploration - Exploration over crowed = BAD

Fitting Guides - people fitting better - less fail fits to lol at in KMs = BAD

Moon mining Guides - More Moon competition = BAD



there's no up side to having MORE competition


I still hope you are just trolling and in the case you are actually serious about this...

Stop being a selfish c*nt. So new players should stay ignorant because of you? I am a fairly new player myself (4/5months?) and these guides helped me to get through the learning curve and stay with the game unlike many others that fall off because of that. FYI a mmo needs new blood to stay alive and if the learning curve of this game is a big roadblock the best thing you can do is to make it easier for them.

[i]~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~   ~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~[/i]
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#30 - 2011-09-12 00:18:03 UTC
From the OP:
you still have not convened me having a guide for ever part of the game is good for the game



Quote:
Mission Guides makes missions easier - More LP items on markets - LP items worth less = BAD

Easier missions means more people able to afford LP items in market = GOOD

Quote:
Mining Guides - makes everyone know how to mine effectively - Min prices lowered = BAD

How to mine effectively brings more common material to the market at better price; rarer mineral gain in value as a result of the disparity = GOOD

Quote:
T3 production Guides -more people make T3s - T3s cheaper = BAD

By reading these guides, more beginners will realize how large a task it all represents therefore making them plan for something else, further closed market for dedicated individual = GOOD

Quote:
Booster making Guides - more people make boosters - booster prices fall = BAD

More people doing booster means less doing something else; being flexible as a crafter/seller = GOOD[/quote]

Quote:
Exploration Guides - More people doing exploration - Exploration over crowed = BAD

More people doing exploration means more chances for encounters and skirmishes; more fun = GOOD

Damn! I ran out of quotes!!! Let's change format :)

"Fitting Guides - people fitting better - less fail fits to lol at in KMs = BAD"
More potent oponents means more challenge; harder = BAD .... for wussies


"Moon mining Guides - More Moon competition = BAD"
See part about exploration



"there's no up side to having MORE competition"
One can tell you haven't taken economy classes, I don't bame you, they can be tedious



There are many upsides to helping/teaching such as better environement, attitude, feeing of actualization/achievement and cleaner forums.

Also, education helps knowing the difference between "their" , "they're", and "there"; I would strongly suggest finding a guide ;)
/null hard_feelings

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#31 - 2011-09-12 00:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Swooshie
Shoo for double posting!!!

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
Scarlett Anstian
Neverstar
#32 - 2011-09-12 00:19:32 UTC
Information is there to be shared. Some people like to play others on an even field.
Sauren
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-09-12 00:30:17 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
why is it everyone feels the need now days to post guides for EVERYTHING


what has happened to the days of guarding your knowledge so you keep the upper hand most of the time


i swear if CCP made secret that gave you uber god like powers if you warped to certain plaints in a solar system in a certain order there would be a guide on the forums on how to do it with in a week of someone finding out.




you don't need to tell everyone how to do everything.

there's no one forcing you to share info you find that makes you isks/has that uber fit.

so why would you do it.



Dear OP,

Real life called and said you needed a reality check. It asked that you get back in touch with It ASAP because It fears you have mistaken a video game for It.
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