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Justice is demanded for BacardiDesire, im talking to you CCP.

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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#1 - 2011-12-05 04:41:36 UTC
I have mulled over making a public statement of what I know about this situation for some time now but I feel that the inaction and overreaction of CCP GM's has gone unanswered for too long.

Baca had his account perma banned recently out of the blue with the claim that he was guilty of procuring dirty ISK. The truth of the matter is Baca was gifted a large sum of ISK by a party within gallente FW back when he regularly ran fleets. Years later CCP sources traced large quantities of ill gotten ISK to this party and went ban happy.

While I agree and support the guilty receiving justice I do not support collateral damage nor do I support CCP being obtuse and flat out ignoring the petitions and explanations submitted to them. Bacas petitions have been in limbo for weeks now with no clear answers or regard for the content within.

Baca is a stand up guy and a figure within this game with a varied and colorful history that deserves better than this. If Baca was guilty he is also the type of guy who would have directly told his friends he was and would proudly accept his fate for messing up.

I ask that CCP please stop ignoring him and take another honest look at this situation and examine it closely to ensure no mistakes were made in this decision. I will not stand for the alienation and punishment of people who love this game unjustly.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#2 - 2011-12-05 04:46:51 UTC
so does this mean all I have to do to get someone banned from eve is make an alt, buy isk for real money and send it to my enemies ingame?


the meta game potential is staggering....

who's the ceo of the orphanage again? Twisted
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-05 04:48:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Dont know this guy.

But i support this cause. /Not that i matter, but still.

edit.

I think its gonna get locked soon.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-05 04:48:50 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
I will not stand for blargh blargh blargh hurf blurf


How nice for you.

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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#5 - 2011-12-05 04:52:08 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
I will not stand for blargh blargh blargh hurf blurf


How nice for you.

The Unsubscribe button can be found by logging into your Account Management page. Take your RMT friends with you, if you don't mind.


I left the game for 3 years a few months after launch due to my old friends being involved in RMT, I dislike it as much as any honest player and would not make a thread of my own volition unless I was dead certain of the person I am supporting.

Thanks for taking a minute to read either way.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-05 04:52:32 UTC
Move on. MW3 is out, Skyrim is out and if you wanna stick with the sci-fi theme, ME3 is just around the corner. As is X4.

Also coming next year: GTA 5. And if you're into flight sims, look for a beta of MS Flight soon(tm).
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2011-12-05 04:53:04 UTC
This will also end well.
Psychophantic
#8 - 2011-12-05 04:58:22 UTC
Morganta wrote:
so does this mean all I have to do to get someone banned from eve is make an alt, buy isk for real money and send it to my enemies ingame?


the meta game potential is staggering....

who's the ceo of the orphanage again? Twisted


Wonder what happens if you send it to a dev.

Scandalous.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-05 04:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
I tell you what.

Why not get Mr. B. Desire to post on the forums using a known alt, or amend his petition, or do *something* to let the GMs know that he waives his right to privacy and wants full disclosure. Then they can post their evidence out in the open scott-free and it can be judged on its merit. There is precedent for such a thing (the guy got roflstomped by the GM and we all had a good laugh at his expense, but don't let that put you off).

It won't change a damm thing, but your story of "I know him, he wouldn't buy ISK, honest guv" will not hold much water without evidence.
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#10 - 2011-12-05 05:13:57 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
I tell you what.

Why not get Mr. B. Desire to post on the forums using a known alt, or amend his petition, or do *something* to let the GMs know that he waives his right to privacy and wants full disclosure. Then they can post their evidence out in the open scott-free and it can be judged on its merit. There is precedent for such a thing (the guy got roflstomped by the GM and we all had a good laugh at his expense, but don't let that put you off).

It won't change a damm thing, but your story of "I know him, he wouldn't buy ISK, honest guv" will not hold much water without evidence.


My only aim is to have his petitions looked at and a response given to him, he is far too proud and frankly cynical of the process to do something as outlandish as my own actions here. I am however slightly blessed when it comes to previous interactions with our game masters and am fully aware initial answers or analysis can fall into grey areas and not receive the level of input or consideration they deserve.

The only harm comes in not trying or ignoring the potentials in problems.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#11 - 2011-12-05 05:17:42 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
I tell you what.

Why not get Mr. B. Desire to post on the forums using a known alt, or amend his petition, or do *something* to let the GMs know that he waives his right to privacy and wants full disclosure. Then they can post their evidence out in the open scott-free and it can be judged on its merit. There is precedent for such a thing (the guy got roflstomped by the GM and we all had a good laugh at his expense, but don't let that put you off).

It won't change a damm thing, but your story of "I know him, he wouldn't buy ISK, honest guv" will not hold much water without evidence.


^^ Pretty much this.
Show and tell or it's all just hearsay.
Harsh, but probably the only way forward.

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Ayanaya
Apple Industries Inc.
#12 - 2011-12-05 05:18:54 UTC
IBTL.
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#13 - 2011-12-05 05:20:37 UTC
Ayanaya wrote:
IBTL.


Lock me up bebe, just pass the word with my killmail Blink

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#14 - 2011-12-05 06:21:10 UTC
I fought with bacardi a lot in FW, was someone paying to him camp tama ?Blink Shame that this happened but ya think gallactica or chatgris would be receiving payment. Are you willing to disclose who paid bacardi?
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#15 - 2011-12-05 06:26:44 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
I fought with bacardi a lot in FW, was someone paying to him camp tama ?Blink Shame that this happened but ya think gallactica or chatgris would be receiving payment. Are you willing to disclose who paid bacardi?


Don't know, didn't care to know tbh. Just have my experience flying with him and it's enough for me.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2011-12-05 06:28:45 UTC
I don't think they do the full disclosure route anymore, it was a slippery slope for them and offended many people (but amused many more).

Your loyalty is commendable, but if your friend is reluctant to push the matter perhaps there is a reason for it.

As you said, sometimes things can fall into a grey area, despite CCP's best intentions to be thorough, however in the case of money gifted to someone from a known RMT account the usual procedure is to yank the funds (taking the account into negatives in many cases) on the first offense.

My point is that it is very odd for them to issue a perma ban if he was gifted money once from a dirty source, that's not normal procedure and would seem to indicate that perhaps there is more to it than you are aware of.

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Liam Mirren
#17 - 2011-12-05 06:34:22 UTC
History teaches us that "trust me officer, I didn't do it" posts never really work out too well, especially ones that go "my friend explained why he was banned (which ofcourse wasn't his own fault at all) and it seemed very plausible to me so he must be right and CCP surely must be wrong and evil".

One sided stories based on hearsay rarely convey 100% truth.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Jita Alt666
#18 - 2011-12-05 07:03:46 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
I tell you what.

Why not get Mr. B. Desire to post on the forums using a known alt, or amend his petition, or do *something* to let the GMs know that he waives his right to privacy and wants full disclosure. Then they can post their evidence out in the open scott-free and it can be judged on its merit. There is precedent for such a thing (the guy got roflstomped by the GM and we all had a good laugh at his expense, but don't let that put you off).

It won't change a damm thing, but your story of "I know him, he wouldn't buy ISK, honest guv" will not hold much water without evidence.


Posting of GM correspondence is bannable
Discussion of GM actions is also bannable...
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#19 - 2011-12-05 07:09:40 UTC
Doesnt sound very believable he got banned because years ago he unknowingly received money from an RMT account.

There sure must be more to it he is not telling.
Ai Shun
#20 - 2011-12-05 07:10:33 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
I ask that CCP please stop ignoring him and take another honest look at this situation and examine it closely to ensure no mistakes were made in this decision. I will not stand for the alienation and punishment of people who love this game unjustly.


Have you filed a petition for this?
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